On Tue, Apr 16, 2002 at 07:08:38PM -0400, Ken Egervari wrote: > The issue with the phpclasses repository is that none of the classes really > 'work together' much like the Java and .NET classes. As you have known, > extremephp.org was a project I started awhile back to do such a framework > (well, actually a lot of subframeworks meshed into one). Nonetheless, this > hasn't happened with PHP. Also, the people who submit to phpclasses.org > don't have to be super architects. This is good and bad. The bad thing is, > many of the classes there aren't as good as they could be because 1 mind was > behind the wheel and lots of times the classes even brake standard OO design > heuristics. When someone with a lot of design experience looks at the > classes, they say, "hmm.. i wonder if all the work done on PHP is this > questionable.". You can't wind everyone, but not too much work has been > done to make solid OO frameworks and tools. I tried.. but the project is > too damn big. I don't think that their's something wrong behind PHP. I never saw such a clean and easy engine as PHP in fact. With the projects i see today at the company i work, it's not about webpages anymore. Customers want these days webapplications, connected with mostly several back-ends.
Most companies converted their back-ends from EDI, CSV and other formats to XML. And most of it can be requested with SOAP. A big role in this is Microsoft. Microsoft is really pushing XML and SOAP. Which is for everybody a good thing. The only thing that i need is a good XML parser in PHP. And after MS, came Sun with Java2 webservices. So why wouldn't PHP follow. XML is a big part of the future, and PHP misses a good XML Parser. Futher, the .NET classes are also 'collections' of classes. Each collection has it own related classes. And where .NET has base classes like data, net, xml, text, etc, PHP has NET_, XML_, PEAR DB, etc. Are pear is still growing. And pear is more variated than the .NET base classes. > I don't think it has too much to do with bad Fame. For instance, several > large companies still use php, including the work I did on altavista and > Rackspace and audiogalaxy use PHP as well. I'm not saying PHP has a bad fame. I only saying that most customers even don't know the name PHP. But with all the MS bugs, everybody knows the Microsoft tools.. So even the bugs is helping Microsoft. > Sure, more well known sites that > use PHP would increase its popularity, but what I really think is that PHP > needs a real platform that makes it even faster to develop websites and > client-side tools - or it's going to fall behind. It's really as simple as > that. Websites are already fast to write in PHP. Web applications are harder to write in PHP. In ASP i do a lot with the application session. It holds important application data. In PHP i simulate this with an serialized array that is read from file every request. And maybe i'm not the right person to say what's good and not. I work a lot with both ASP and PHP. And i only tell what i'm seeing. That's all And for now, good night everybody! Dave Mertens -- PHP Development Mailing List <http://www.php.net/> To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
