I know this is going nowhere :) but anyway - its late here and I've got 
a few secs to kill....

Ask your boss, how often has he done a project using microsoft tools, 
and its been seriously delayed because they found a serious bug in the 
microsoft tools, that had to be worked around.- if he answers never i 
would be amazed !

Delayed = late delivery = unsatified customer = bad reputation = no more 
contracts!

The difference with PHP (and perl,pike,python, ruby......etc), is that 
when there is a problem, your project is not delayed, you have full 
access to the source, you can find the problem, fix it and carry on with 
minimal delays.. - no workaround. - no code thats going to break on the 
next MS update!

This is the core to the reason behind why all of these languages are 
better than c#/java - you are empowered to solve your own problems, 
rather than relying on 3 levels of technical support and promises that 
it will be fixed and wont break your code.....

the logic is in the philosophy not the marketing = no seminar is ever 
going to solve this problem :)

anyway -  just one angle to try

best regards
alan

Dave Mertens wrote:

>On Tue, Apr 16, 2002 at 07:27:06AM -0700, brad lafountain wrote:
>
>>>And next week i have a special C# traning for PHP developers. Offered free by
>>>Microsoft.
>>>
>> alls i have to say is WOW. This is one pathetic attempt by Microsoft. 
>>
>Yeah, but are there any professional tranings for PHP? Do you hear of PHP? 
>That's the problem i'm facing. I think PHP is great, i really am.
>
>But the fact the PHP don't have a proper XML parser, only a scripting SOAP parser 
>makes it for my boss easy to choose for ASP/Java in stead of PHP. And what can i do 
>about it, absolutely nothing!
>I don't have the knowledge to make PHP itself better. That why i submit as much as i 
>can (and allowed) to PEAR.
>
>Hoping that it will end as a set of foundation classes.
>
>But now, all new projects are done with ASP. And why? Because Microsoft has a damn 
>good marketing machine.
>They even have now commercials for .NET! 
>
>And about the training. Microsoft knows that PHP is getting behind and they are 
>saying that .NET can do almost everything what PHP can and more.
>I can only say that i hope ZE2 will change this. But i have a hard time on my work 
>defending PHP.
>
>Yeah. When a company becomes a Microsoft Partner you get a lot of MS licenses for 
>free! Buy MSDN Universal and you get more programs for Free.
>And the company i work for is a gold partner. We have 100 free licenses for XP! Why 
>use linux??
>
>2 years ago PHP was leading egde. I hope that the ZE2 engine makes it a leading 
>language again.
>
>Dave Mertens
>




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