You are neglecting the FreeBSD and OpenBSD projects. Both of these operating systems have proven track records of security and reliability, both in the practical world and in the brutal world of technical security audits (just ask CERT, NASA, and the NSA).
What relevance does my post have to the php-dev list? NONE! ABSOLUTELY NOTHING! I'm new to this list and an infrequent poster as of yet, but I still know that this discussion belongs in an advocacy list. This is a mailing list for two kinds of people: PHP developers and the technically curious. Unless you have something to contribute in either respect, I suggest you start a thread on slashdot. -----Original Message----- From: Dave Mertens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2002 4:04 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Ken Egervari; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] The PHP Platform On Wed, Apr 17, 2002 at 07:19:52PM +0200, Marcus B?rger wrote: > And who wants to use MS in critical environments or with critical > Data? > Remember > MS fail to secure their own DNS servers or who knows what MS is capable to view > on your server? Before XP they did not implement a full tcp/ip stack and > noone knows > what they are doing on the net (besides themselfs - i hope). And what about > the > resources of Windows - you must have lots of money to be fast with MS Systems. Aahh, the money. OK, what costs a server?? Let's say a server costs 7500. 2 X 2 loadbalanced servers (1 website, 1 database). That's about $30.000. My boss is asking about $100 per developer a hour! A project team within our company counts 4 developers, 1 development manager and 1 contact for the customer. 30.000/6 = $5.000. So if every person on the projecs makes 50 hours the 4 servers are paid! That's 5 and a half day programming. Most projects take months before the total projects is deployed with all the stages. Really, the resources needed Windows don't cost that much for companies, not in comparisment with development costs. Any idea what a requirement study (needed for every project), a functional and a technical design costs? And than people even haven't started programming! Both Windows as Linux has some disadvantages. I won't deny that. Do you every read security-focus?? Linux has just as much security bugs as windows has! I work with both platforms, both have their charms. And in critical enviroments even linux isn't used. They have their own unix os. I even doubt that a space shuttle is running PHP.. (They also don't run Windows ASP either). > As said before by Kristian Koehntopp there is a large amount of LAMP > installations. > Because many people do not use XML/SOAP why should they? Not everyone has > to sell something on his site....(AND some XML parts are in development > even tody). So, more than 90% is running MSIE. Does that mean i don't have to care about Netscape? LAMP installation are populair with ISP and hosting providers. Because LAMP doesn't costs much. Just in my case - We only have MS database servers at our company. Why, because Learning all the ins and outs of postgresql or MySQL takes a lot of time. PHP has very good support for MS SQL Server. But MS SQL Server is cheaper than Oracle. So, we have only 2 database administrators in stead of 4 (postgresql, mysql, oracle and MS SQL). > When time comes and thinks like SRM become public maybe PHP gets the > capabilities > to run a web-application on multiple machines - then we will have the need > for full SOAP > integration. Before that time we would only provide MS/Java folks with > rapid prototyping > utilities... We now already running PHP webapplications on multiple machines. All application data is placed on a nfs partition which is used by all the machines. SOAP between you're own layers is a bit overkill. Don't get me wrong. I like PHP. But please don't say that ASP is bad. Because if it were so bad, why does it popularity grows. With good administrators windows is also stable. And if you're not installing the distribution updates, a linux system is just a much as exploitable as a Windows machine. The longest uptime allowed within our company is set to 180 days. After that the hardware must be inspected. And because we're running clusters nobody cares. With that inspection servers get also a full upgrade. Also all coolers are replaced. But these kind of discussions are useless. Most of those threads were started in the early 90's. And beside of that, it costs your energy if you reply on this one ;-) Use your energy wise, make PHP better! Dave Mertens -- PHP Development Mailing List <http://www.php.net/> To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php -- PHP Development Mailing List <http://www.php.net/> To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
