Jochem Maas wrote: > Robert Cummings schreef: > >> On Tue, 2009-02-17 at 11:48 -0800, Michael A. Peters wrote: >> >>> Robert Cummings wrote: >>> >>> >>>> I think what you all are missing is that physics is just a framework for >>>> reality. >>>> >>> I think you are missing that reality is just a construct of strawberry >>> fields forever. >>> >> Carl Sagan once said something like "to make an apple pie you must first >> invent the universe". It follows that the invention of reality must come >> before the strawberry :) >> > > it doesn't if you are the strawberry. because from that point of view the > strawberry would be the "I", as in the inventor of the universe, > ergo the strawberry comes before in that case. > > obviously this is subjective, but then given that reality implies total > objectivity and that we can't surmount our own subjectivity we're stuck with > the fact that we cannot prove either way whether the strawberry is self-aware > (i.e. it might be or it might not be). > > additionally, given that the subjective "I"/inventor/ego is required in order > to invent the universe (aka 'reality' according to Rob) leaves a few > questions, namely, > where/what is the inventor? is 'reality' actually real or merely a subjective > construct? > and what are ramifications for the apple pie? > > if the inventor is part of (contained within) the universe in which he/she/it > makes the apple pie then how does that work? did the inventor invent > him/her/it-self? > and if he/she/it is not contained within why does the apple pie require > such a container? > > am I boring anyone yet Yet?!?!
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