Jochem Maas wrote:
> Robert Cummings schreef:
>> On Tue, 2009-02-17 at 11:48 -0800, Michael A. Peters wrote:
>>> Robert Cummings wrote:
>>>> I think what you all are missing is that physics is just a framework for
>>>> reality.
>>> I think you are missing that reality is just a construct of strawberry 
>>> fields forever.
>> Carl Sagan once said something like "to make an apple pie you must first
>> invent the universe". It follows that the invention of reality must come
>> before the strawberry :)
> it doesn't if you are the strawberry. because from that point of view the
> strawberry would be the "I", as in the inventor of the universe,
> ergo the strawberry comes before in that case.
> obviously this is subjective, but then given that reality implies total
> objectivity and that we can't surmount our own subjectivity we're stuck with
> the fact that we cannot prove either way whether the strawberry is self-aware
> (i.e. it might be or it might not be).
> additionally, given that the subjective "I"/inventor/ego is required in order
> to invent the universe (aka 'reality' according to Rob) leaves a few 
> questions, namely,
> where/what is the inventor? is 'reality' actually real or merely a subjective 
> construct?
> and what are ramifications for the apple pie?
> if the inventor is part of (contained within) the universe in which he/she/it
> makes the apple pie then how does that work? did the inventor invent 
> him/her/it-self?
> and if he/she/it is not contained within why does the apple pie require
> such a container?
> am I boring anyone yet


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