Michael wrote:
Robert Cummings wrote:
 > Michael wrote:
 >> "Languages were designed to be programmed, what they are programmed to
 >> do is entirely up to the programmer."
 >> Perhaps there is no hope then. This is so distant from the actual case
 >> it does not require more than pointing out.
 >> If you want to write demons in php fine, i wince at the thought.
 > Demons are fantastical creatures. The word you're erroneously trying to
 > repeat is "daemon".
You'll find both spellings refer to the same thing.


 >> The question isnt whether a PHP programmer thinks PHP is the right
 >> tool for the job, unanimously the answer will be 'yes' because of the
 >> myopia of the position. It is whether people with experience on a
 >> number of different platform, using a number of different languages
 >> think it is... i've yet to hear *anyone* in this position advocate PHP.
 > I don't have myopia, I've already said many times that there can
 > certainly be better ways to do something, there can be more established
 > choices, but just because there are, doesn't preclude the use of a less
 > worthy tool with the possible side effect that the less worthy tool
 > undergoes some kind of evolution such that it becomes a better choice in
 > the future.
You're advocating using a hammer as a screwdriver to spur the invention of the screwdriver? We already have the screwdriver, it's called python. If you need a drill there's Java, etc.

No, I'm advocation the invention of the Robertson screwdriver despite the existence of the Philips screwdriver!

There was a time when C was a less worthy choice, there was
 > a time when Java was a less worthy choice, there was a time when you
 > probably had a more open mind. The fact remains that things change, and
 > usually change is driven by some impetus. That impetus may indeed be due
 > to the selected environment having been found lacking.

Yes, certainly. This is why we have phc, phalanger, pint, mod_php, PHP4Mono, etc.

I'm not sure what point you were making with the above list.

You'll also notice youre talking about a progression of languages... not a progression within a language. People arent writing operating systems in python precisely because that would be an absurd misuse of a tool, nor are they writing RDMBs in PHP. There are good reasons for this.

No, I'm specifically talking about a progression WITHIN a language. When C first came out there were likely almost no libraries available and many many ASM libraries. That changed over time. You already made a point about libraries being a reasonable criteria for language selection.

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