I am talking about the JDK... or the compiler and the JVM.

I don't think the language itself can be copyrighted as it falls under a
"method of operation" which (in the US at least) is not copyrightable
(Correct me if I am wrong.  IANAL)

Since you mentioned Kaffe I visited their homepage www.kaffe.org

Kaffe is an Open Source Java Clone, and while I salute their efforts, they
are not at a level to be competitive with Sun as of yet (Their site
that PARTS of Kaffe are now compatible with JDK 1.2  Sun has already
released JDK 1.3 and JDK 1.4 Beta)

Basically, at the moment, if you want to use Java Source in your commercial
product you have the option of paying Sun royalties or using OSS
which are months or years behind.  The fact that you have to pay royalties
Sun for any type of project violates the first rule of Open Source (Which
be viewed with this link http://www.opensource.org/docs/definition.html
Rasmus was kind enough to provide  =P ) and means that Java is not Open
Source... which was my original point  =)

You may also want to read this story, which was a link in Kaffe's liscensing


Sheridan Saint-Michel
Website Administrator
FoxJet, an ITW Company

----- Original Message -----
From: Mark Maggelet <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 2:42 PM
Subject: Re: [PHP] PHP in corporate settings?

> On Thu, 09 Aug 2001 14:30:43 -0500, Sheridan Saint-Michel
> ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> >Bzzzt...Wrong!  But thank you for playing.  If you read the FAQ on
> >Sun's "Open Source" website not only do they admit Java is not
> >open source, but they sort of tip toe around whether or not it ever
> >will be.
> well, I think it depends on if you're talking about java the
> language, java the jvm, or java the bytecode compiler. which of these
> do you need to be open source. I know of at least one open source jvm
> (kaffe), and I believe IBM may have released an open source compiler
> >http://www.sunsource.net/faq.html#Java
> >
> >Sheridan Saint-Michel
> >Website Administrator
> >FoxJet, an ITW Company
> >www.foxjet.com
> >
> >
> ><Snip>
> >> Just one point Java is actually open source, because you can get
> >>the
> >> source code for the JVM. It is not GPL what means that if you want
> >>to
> >> make money with it you have to pay for it (but after all Sun is a
> >> bussiness, and bussiness are for making money).
> ><Snip>
> >> Sean C. McCarthy
> >> SCI, S.L. (www.sci-spain.com)

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