Why are we on this list??? How do we take this address off??


-----Original Message-----
From: Jesus M. Castagnetto [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 1:44 PM
To: Joe Orton
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [PHP-DOC] PHP documentation licence


The principles may apply, but the licenses can be and
are different.

The reason for that particular clauses there is
because there have been several instances where people
have basically published the manual contents in book
form, removing the copyright and the information about
the original author, and putting his or her name
instead. Basically fraud and plagiarism.

We contemplated using the FDL at some point, but the
OPL seemed more reasonable. I will refer you to the
discussions about this topic that we have had in this
list before, as well as the documents from the PHPDOC
meeting from last year (IIRC).

I still do not understand the problem you have, you
can redistribute the manual w/o problem as long as you
keep the appropriate attributions, now if you want to
put material from it into your book and will modify
the content too, then you need to ask for permission.
Usually not a problem if you document your sources. A
printed book is not freely distributable, except some
few exceptions in which the author also makes it
available online for download. 

We are not trying to strong arm people and make money
out of the documentation, as deplorably some other
projects are trying to do now, most notably JBOSS, in
which you need to pay to access docs about the latest
releases. The intention of the license for the manual
is to avoid missappropriation of the material the
community has produced.

--- Joe Orton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 23, 2003 at 11:35:29AM +0200, Gabor
> Hojtsy wrote:
> > >Hi folks - I noticed that the new PHP
> documentation licence elects to
> > >use this option of the OPL:
> > >
> > >    Distribution of substantively modified
> versions of this document
> > >    is prohibited without the explicit permission
> of the copyright
> > >    holder.
> > >
> > >This is a significant restriction over the
> previous licence, and is not
> > >in the spirit (if not the letter) of the Open
> Source Definition/Debian
> > >Free Software Guidelines: that modification is
> unrestricted is an
> > >important part of free software.
> > >
> > >Would you consider removing this option?
> > 
> > Is the documentation software?
> 
> Obviously not, though I find it hard to convince
> myself that the
> principles of free software should not also apply to
> free
> documentation--hence the question.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> joe

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--- Jesus M. Castagnetto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

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