In our response, I think we should really avoid mentioning at all a possible
freeze in december 2009, as this is not what we are asked about.
We are asked about what we would like to see in a release and when we can get
> * Which major upstream releases of KDE are expected in the next two
> years? Which of those are material for Debian stable, which might be a bit
KDE is currently releasing new feature versions in january and july, but they
are also discussing their release management methods and plans.
We would expect KDE 4.4.0 in end of January 2010 and KDE 4.5.0 in end of July
Each month after this, there is new bugfix releases of the latest version, at
least until .3, and maybe a bit longer for .4. I don't think they have gotten
to a .5 point release yet.
the .0 release has with 4.1.0 and 4.2.0 been a bit flaky. 4.3.0 has been a bit
better in this regard, but we would still like to ship something like a .2
The release schedules of Qt is also relevant. Qt4.6 is expected to arrive
around christmas, and has some new nice features, but from a release point of
view, it is the first release that is expected to build correctly with gcc
> * How much time do you usually need from a new upstream release of KDE
> to a stable Debian package in unstable?
KDE releases the tarballs to packagers one week before release, so packagers
have time to prepare the packaging. We usually get something ready (with the
4.x releases) for release day, sometimes with some bugs, sometimes not. These
bugs are usually weeded out during a week or two after this.
For point releases, which is only bugfix releases, we usually get the
packaging fully right at first upload, which happens around release day.
> * How many "big" transitions will the upcoming changes cause? When should
> happen? Can we do something to make them easier
A removal-transition of arts would be nice, but requires a package name change
of kdelibs4c2a, as kdelibs4c2a changes ABI without arts.
Of each new upstream release (4.x), the kde4libs source package will probably
have to break: kdebase-workspace-bin ( << 4.x), which generates a small mess,
but nothing major is expected.
A .la file removal transition should be considered carefully regarding to apps
using kde3 kdelibs.
If we could plan the Debian release cycle completely after what would be good
for KDE, squeeze will freeze shortly after KDE 4.5.0 is uploaded to Debian
(July 2010) and the .1 and .2 and .3 releases will be allowed into squeeze.
Squeeze will release in November or December 2010.
This will give us a whole lot of interesting features and also some of the
tricky kmail bugs that only can be solved by a almost full rewrite will have
happened, and KDE will have the possibility to take advantage of the new
things in Qt4.6, and we will reach Qt4.6.2 or something like that on the Qt
I'm not able to insert a 3D provider from Windows, how does it work?
>From the folder inside iMacOS NT you must download the command prompt for
receiving the program of the file to a RAM mailer over a ADSL terminale.