Hi, Sorry for the late reply. I started writing and then dropped the ball.
On Sat, Aug 8, 2020 at 12:16 PM Pali Rohár <[email protected]> wrote: > Hello! > > On Saturday 13 June 2020 17:36:14 Felipe Sateler wrote: > > Hello Pali, > > > > On Thu, Jun 4, 2020 at 3:17 PM Pali Rohár <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Hello! > > > > > > For two years I have been playing with Bluetooth audio support. I > > > prepared patches for pulseaudio which radically improve bluetooth A2DP > > > situation on Linux, but now after two years I see that pulseaudio > > > maintainers are in interested in them and they are fine with current > > > bluetooth audio state on Linux. > > > > > > For last two months lot of users are asking me when my patches would be > > > merged into pulseaudio and when bluetooth audio situation on Linux > would > > > be better. > > > > > > To all users now I'm writing reply, that they should forgot about Linux > > > support as maintainers are not interested in it and users should use > e.g. > > > Apple systems where everything bluetooth audio related is working out > of > > > the box. It is just wasting time for non-power users on Linux to try to > > > do anything if there are already Apple and Windows systems where it is > > > working. > > > > > > So, I would like to ask you, Debian maintainers, are you interested in > > > Bluetooth A2DP patches for pulseaudio in which pulseaudio maintainers > > > are not interested? I have working support for aptX, aptX-HD, SBC-XQ > > > and FastStream codecs in A2DP profile. FastStream is also with > > > microphone support. > > > > > > > I don't want to maintain a fork of pulseaudio. So including patches that > > upstream *actively* doesn't want is a hard sell. > > I understand your points. If you are asking how to sell it, is not poor > audio support on Linux good argument compared to Windows and Apple > support? > > Because as I wrote, really it is better to not use Linux/Debian for > bluetooth audio and rather switch to Windows or Apple system. > It is a very good argument. As a matter of fact, I cannot use my own bluetooth headset because it is not supported by pulseaudio in HFP mode. But I cannot commit to maintaining a forked pulseaudio. I simply don't have time. > > > However, I don't actually see that upstream is actively opposed. I even > see > > some activity happening right now which is awesome! > > No, upstream is really not interested in it. I thought that something is > happening but I was wrong. > > I'm stopping communication with upstream. It is just takes time and has > no result. After 2 years basically nothing happened. Seems they do not > want to touch anything bluetooth related and they like current state. > Looks like that they also lost other developers as I do not see any > activity on bluetooth part. > > > I would very much consider including patches that are on track to being > > upstreamed, provided you are willing to help with rebasing patches on new > > upstream versions. To be completely honest, my debian time is fairly > > limited, so I'm not committing to more work now. > > > > I would also be willing to consider following a patched-pulseaudio > > upstream, especially of other distros are including the same patches. But > > the important thing is that I am not an active pulseaudio developer, and > > thus I don't want to maintain patches. I want to follow some upstream, > not > > be one. > > So, what about contacting other Linux distributions and maintaining > patches collectively? I'm sure that users of other Linux distributions > are interested in improved bluetooth audio support based on feedbacks > which I got in private emails. > > Let me know what do you think. > I'm sorry, but I'm very time-starved. I cannot push for anything. I'm at this point a passive follower. If such a fork materializes, I can take a look. But so far I have not even been able to try out pulseaudio with your patches! I simply cannot be part of a group taking the lead. BTW, have other distributions showed interest? Perhaps such a forked-pulseaudio already materialized by now? -- Saludos, Felipe Sateler
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