On Thursday 10 September 2020 14:34:27 Felipe Sateler wrote: > Hi, > > Sorry for the late reply. I started writing and then dropped the ball. > > On Sat, Aug 8, 2020 at 12:16 PM Pali Rohár <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Hello! > > > > On Saturday 13 June 2020 17:36:14 Felipe Sateler wrote: > > > Hello Pali, > > > > > > On Thu, Jun 4, 2020 at 3:17 PM Pali Rohár <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > Hello! > > > > > > > > For two years I have been playing with Bluetooth audio support. I > > > > prepared patches for pulseaudio which radically improve bluetooth A2DP > > > > situation on Linux, but now after two years I see that pulseaudio > > > > maintainers are in interested in them and they are fine with current > > > > bluetooth audio state on Linux. > > > > > > > > For last two months lot of users are asking me when my patches would be > > > > merged into pulseaudio and when bluetooth audio situation on Linux > > would > > > > be better. > > > > > > > > To all users now I'm writing reply, that they should forgot about Linux > > > > support as maintainers are not interested in it and users should use > > e.g. > > > > Apple systems where everything bluetooth audio related is working out > > of > > > > the box. It is just wasting time for non-power users on Linux to try to > > > > do anything if there are already Apple and Windows systems where it is > > > > working. > > > > > > > > So, I would like to ask you, Debian maintainers, are you interested in > > > > Bluetooth A2DP patches for pulseaudio in which pulseaudio maintainers > > > > are not interested? I have working support for aptX, aptX-HD, SBC-XQ > > > > and FastStream codecs in A2DP profile. FastStream is also with > > > > microphone support. > > > > > > > > > > I don't want to maintain a fork of pulseaudio. So including patches that > > > upstream *actively* doesn't want is a hard sell. > > > > I understand your points. If you are asking how to sell it, is not poor > > audio support on Linux good argument compared to Windows and Apple > > support? > > > > Because as I wrote, really it is better to not use Linux/Debian for > > bluetooth audio and rather switch to Windows or Apple system. > > > > It is a very good argument. As a matter of fact, I cannot use my own > bluetooth headset because it is not supported by pulseaudio in HFP mode. > But I cannot commit to maintaining a forked pulseaudio. I simply don't have > time.
It is really better to say or document truth. "It is unsupported and if you need it then use other operating system". > > > > > However, I don't actually see that upstream is actively opposed. I even > > see > > > some activity happening right now which is awesome! > > > > No, upstream is really not interested in it. I thought that something is > > happening but I was wrong. > > > > I'm stopping communication with upstream. It is just takes time and has > > no result. After 2 years basically nothing happened. Seems they do not > > want to touch anything bluetooth related and they like current state. > > Looks like that they also lost other developers as I do not see any > > activity on bluetooth part. > > > > > I would very much consider including patches that are on track to being > > > upstreamed, provided you are willing to help with rebasing patches on new > > > upstream versions. To be completely honest, my debian time is fairly > > > limited, so I'm not committing to more work now. > > > > > > I would also be willing to consider following a patched-pulseaudio > > > upstream, especially of other distros are including the same patches. But > > > the important thing is that I am not an active pulseaudio developer, and > > > thus I don't want to maintain patches. I want to follow some upstream, > > not > > > be one. > > > > So, what about contacting other Linux distributions and maintaining > > patches collectively? I'm sure that users of other Linux distributions > > are interested in improved bluetooth audio support based on feedbacks > > which I got in private emails. > > > > Let me know what do you think. > > > > I'm sorry, but I'm very time-starved. I cannot push for anything. I'm at > this point a passive follower. If such a fork materializes, I can take a > look. But so far I have not even been able to try out pulseaudio with your > patches! I simply cannot be part of a group taking the lead. > > BTW, have other distributions showed interest? Perhaps such a > forked-pulseaudio already materialized by now? I do not know. I have not wrote to maintainers of other linux distributions yet. -- Pali Rohár [email protected] _______________________________________________ pkg-pulseaudio-devel mailing list [email protected] https://alioth-lists.debian.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pkg-pulseaudio-devel
