+1 to stop auto close, because it negates a lot of human effort invested
in each bugzilla record. It is strange to expect any new contributors
while we just through their work to the trash bin.
I wonder what Committer Representative role stands for if the message
could be claimed as "just not important".
Regards,
AF
2/10/2022 1:35 PM, Ed Merks пишет:
Please consider the opinions of your committers and contributors as at
least relatively important. We're explaining to you what is
important to us and why we feel that way. We don't really so much
appreciate our opinions being dismissed as not important to you. We
have higher expectations from our PMC leads.
If the disease is "lack of triage", we feel that unfortunately the
"auto triage close cure" is even worse than that disease. We're asking
you to please stop sending the patients home with a robot. We might
not do a good job curing the patients and we could and should
definitely discuss how to improve our cure rate and our patient
satisfaction statistics, but in the meanwhile please stop making the
problem worse with a robot. And please don't characterize what we say
as "just not important" because that's just plain disrespectful.
On 10.02.2022 10:52, Aleksandar Kurtakov wrote:
On Thu, Feb 10, 2022 at 11:43 AM Rolf Theunissen
<rolf.theunis...@gmail.com> wrote:
I fully agree. In fact, I consider any bug that is closed and
marked as 'stalebug' as open.
Also, back in the day there seemed to be a different triage
process, and correct me if I am wrong, but it seems that bugs
that are marked as being triaged are not auto-closed. At least
some very old bugs do not get auto-closed.
I know that it is hard to manage the huge back-log of issues. But
there seems also hardly any focus on new incoming bugs, they are
ignored until they are finally automatically closed, which gives
a really bad impression on the overall quality of the projects.
You nailed it! It's pointless discussion whether bugs are autoclosed
or not aka stay open without anyone looking into it or being closed
without anyone looking into it. What's important is who will triage
and fix bugs, look into gerrits and etc.? I'm very interested in the
later discussion and until we improve on it, discussing the former is
just non-important to me.
Rolf
Op do 10 feb. 2022 om 08:23 schreef Alex Blewitt
<alex.blew...@gmail.com>:
I agree. It’s happened to many bugs I raised over the years
even when they are provably still valid, and it gives a
really bad impression to end users for limited gain.
Alex
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> On 10 Feb 2022, at 06:49, Christoph Läubrich
<lae...@laeubi-soft.de> wrote:
>
> +1 for disabling this.
>
>> Am 10.02.22 um 07:45 schrieb Andrey Loskutov:
>> Yes, please.
>> I believe PMC once decided it would be a great idea to
have less bugs open, so I would ask PMC to discuss the
success of this practice once again, we should be able to
reiterate on our processes.
>> I've complained
https://www.eclipse.org/lists/jdt-dev/msg01419.html already
(no result), Stephan too (before he silently quit)
https://www.eclipse.org/lists/eclipse-pmc/msg03833.html, I
know other committers not happy with this practice, and we
receive constant feedback from users that this *is* a bad
practice.
>> It doesn't help anyone, just creates bad impression for
remaining few users who take time to fill bug reports.
>> Am 10. Februar 2022 07:23:49 MEZ schrieb Ed Merks
<ed.me...@gmail.com>:
>>> Can we please turn off this "Genie" that does this to
open bugs? I've
>>> asked about this before and I really don't like it. This
time I want to
>>> really make it stop. I think such a behavior creates a
really bad
>>> impression, i.e., that we manage bugs so poorly that we
need a bot that
>>> times them out automatically because we just can't be
bothered to manage
>>> this properly. Yes, of course I know there is much time
involved in
>>> triage, but that's exactly the point. I triaged all the
p2 bugs some
>>> time ago to reduce it to the ones that are open so these
are legitimate
>>> issues that should not be auto-closed...
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Ed
>> --
>> Kind regards,
>> Andrey Loskutov
>> https://www.eclipse.org/user/aloskutov
>> Спасение утопающих - дело рук самих утопающих
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