Jd,
I think your thinking is out dated. And, specious. From 10+ years ago
<https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLEFA9F546C9975EDD>.
I find it amazing, that no one here will post their personal Blog /
Website address.
I agree with Lisa, all the way.
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On 12/02/2014 12:20 PM, JD Austin wrote:
I'm a lurker on this list and haven't had time to go to an actual plug
meeting in years so take my input as you may... that said PLUG should
take these issues seriously because these are the kinds of issues that
tear apart organizations.
When people take the time to cite specific examples and tell you that
they feel a negative bias towards them the wrong response is to deny
their feelings are valid. A major problem most clubs/organizations
have unless they make a concerted effort not to be is that overtime
they get cliquish and non-inclusive; unless an effort is made not to
do so long time members start to feel and act as if it is their
organization and can seem like dictators to new people. I haven't
been involved enough in PLUG to know if that is happening here but the
emails flying around right now make it sound like it could be that
way. I've seen these kinds of issues destroy groups before; I'm sure
I'm not the only person that has no desire to be a group that
discriminates against women or any other body of people.
Linux is for everyone and has the most diversity of any operating
system I know.
-- JD Austin
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On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 9:38 AM, Kaoru Wilbur <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Definitely! Thanks for that.
When asked what I would do with my pi, I mentioned I was going to
do a Tor Relay. One member looked at me, laughed and said, Good
luck with that.
Another time, I was assisting someone with an install. The idiot
next to me was flinching twitching and making grunting noises.
Finally, I turned off the machine and said, "And what would you do?!"
He made a suggestion which was what I actually had done already.
The woman who I was assisting even said, "Isn't that what you were
doing"
Another incident was when I stated that one member of the
installfests was rude and if Todd didn't take care of that, I
would. I was accused of threatening this member when I was simply
stating in front of a group of people that Mark was a rude
arrogant problem that needed to be dealt with.
Now, maybe, it's just Todd. However, I went to leadership who did
nothing until I started making noise at a higher level. The noise
wasn't even about the gender bias but the push on Ubuntu and the
treatment of members.
Incidentally, when I went to local leadership, he acted as if I
were lying before any investigation.
Women come to your meetings and then leave. Maybe the general
population of the group do not realize why because so many people
come and go from the PLUG. Maybe people think women cannot handle
the content or that they are leaving because of other reasons.
I was all but pushed out of your old boys club. In fact, Todd
stated he didn't want me at the installfests. Was that because I
was insisting on positive change or because I was female. You tell
me? He laughed at me several times. Of course, he was not that
nice to other members either. I never noticed him condescend to
any of the males though.
There is gender bias. Maybe not at your local meetings because
it's just ALL LECTURE.
On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 8:41 AM, Shawn Badger <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
I have been in the PLUG for a while now and have not seen any
gender bias.
Can you point to any examples of how the group is gender
biased so the group can work on those issues?
On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 12:33 AM, Kaoru Wilbur
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
wrote:
hans,
I am sorry you cannot take a joke.
Of course, sexual harassment is no joking matter.
Accusations of this are quite serious.
I never witnessed anything or experienced sexual harassment.
Gender bias is quite obvious in your LUG.
On Mon, Dec 1, 2014 at 10:44 PM, der.hans
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Am 01. Dez, 2014 schwätzte Kaoru Wilbur so:
Well, this was an interesting thread.
I would like to chime in here for a moment.
While I have not experienced unwanted sexually
advances by anyone at PLUG
in recent years, I will state there is a gender
bias, definitely.
Some people may not experience this gender bias
because, well frankly, we
are unsure of your gender...
That's uncalled for, especially right as you're
claiming there is gender bias.
All joking aside, as a community, we really could
be a little more
thoughtful, tactful and less like assholes.
Most of us do a good job. Over the years there have
only been problems
with a few people. Most adjust their behavior when
it's pointed out.
ciao,
der.hans
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