Minimum 32gb ddr4 checking in. I remember when I used to put Linux on low spec 
machines...

You know, the guy at the computer store told me I would never fill my 10gb hard 
drive. But thanks to bloat and Lennart Poettering, I now need 32gb of ram, 8 
cores, and a multi terrabyte ssd just to be effective. The future is here 
ladies and gents... and it is gloriously unoptimized. 

> On Sep 6, 2017, at 3:55 PM, Stephen Partington <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> I am currently running 24gb ram and would use more. But I have a combination 
> of VM use, photography (ram goes fast when you have 24mp raw) gaming and 
> other strange tasks going. 
> 
>> On Sep 6, 2017 1:48 PM, "Carruth, Rusty" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Well, we've kind of strayed from the original topic, so I'll do a 
>> pre-emptive strike and change the subject.  Hopefully nobody gets mad...
>> 
>> So, I'm impressed by the memory/cpu load that Mr Graham has on his computer. 
>>  And I thought I was a hog... er, I mean heavy resource user!  (I once was 
>> moved to my own personal Sun Sparc computer because I kept beating up the 
>> shared one getting work done...)
>> 
>> But I agree with him that 16G is getting close to the minimum required 
>> amount if you do much web browsing with lots of tabs (Ok, he didn't exactly 
>> say that, but it was implied).  (Moment of openness - I once had 50 tabs in 
>> a single Firefox window, and there were at least 4 other Firefox windows 
>> running.  At this point in time, I have 17 firefox windows running, with a 
>> total of 32+5+14+17+10+17+32+30+14+98+12+60+16+1+12+3+18+40.  Whoa, that 
>> even surprised me.  Anyway, 'only' 5G of ram in use on this 16G windows 
>> machine...)
>> 
>> Also, I don't consider a thin client to be useful for anything but a work 
>> machine which is unable to leave the office.  Too many ways to have things 
>> not work (or be hacked/etc)..  IMHO, of course :-)
>> 
>> Rusty
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: PLUG-discuss [mailto:[email protected]] On 
>> Behalf Of Matt Graham
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2017 1:38 PM
>> To: Main PLUG discussion list
>> Subject: Re: Warranty!!?!?!?!?!
>> 
>> On 2017-09-06 12:26, [email protected] wrote:
>> > What are you doing that requires a top of the line CPU, 32G RAM, and a
>> > 1T SSD?
>> 
>> Android development?  :-)  An Android project someone else put together here 
>> uses some sort of library or syntactic sugar combination that makes compiles 
>> peg the CPU for several minutes when one line of one file's changed.  
>> (Java's always been a bloated sack, but this is kind of
>> unusual.)
>> 
>> > Given that [using someone else's computer as a vital part of whatever
>> > you're doing], a baseline laptop with decent graphics, 8G RAM, and a
>> > 128G SSD should be enough.
>> 
>> Maybe for some really lightweight use cases.  git assumes you have infinite 
>> storage space.  Any nontrivial node.js project will eat 512M in node_modules 
>> dependencies.  The Android Studio support directory here is 42G.  The 
>> graphic design people here said that there was no way they could get by with 
>> machines that had only 256G SSDs, because .psd files are huge.  And these 
>> are work machines.  You'd have to add the space music and media collections 
>> take up to personal machines.
>> 
>> > Unless one is running many local virtual machines, doing some serious
>> > video or image work, or doing lots of compiling... I am think the
>> > cloud and thin client hardware is the way to go.
>> 
>> If you have a 100% reliable and fast network, and your disk space needs are 
>> tiny, and your external service provider won't die, this *might* work.  
>> Being able to work (and play) on a personal machine without external 
>> dependencies is useful in enough circumstances that I wouldn't consider 
>> buying a thin client as anything other than a toy.
>> 
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