also..... it didn't freeze on me this morning after I got it home from the computer shop and it didn't freeze on me yesterday before taking it to the shop.
On Wed, Jul 15, 2020 at 5:51 PM Michael <[email protected]> wrote: > > I ran memtest and it reported no problems. > apt install nvtop > Reading package lists... Done > Building dependency tree > Reading state information... Done > E: Unable to locate package nvtop > > I think it is the PSU as this one is 10 years old. But it may be the > video. Unfortunately I can not locate the card in lshw.I think what I > am looking at in lshw is the onboard video. > > On Wed, Jul 15, 2020 at 5:23 PM Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > There's really no way to tell from the software side if your psu is > > failing. If the psu randomly stops, your mobo and os dies with it. Your > > mobo may detect bad power as part of kernel dmesg's to the cpu, but likely > > not. > > > > Problem with PSU's are generally bad electrical components like a blown out > > capacitor(s), meaning you're not handing power burst demands from your > > motherboard and/or gpu. Why it's so hard to tell if/when they really do > > go, they tend to only under certain loads or thresholds. You more need a > > volt/ohm/capacitance meter to see this. > > > > Any old PSU you can replace it with from a working device in the past 15 > > years or so should tell you if it reboots in the same duration as current. > > Beg/borrow/steal one for a week. Most stores have a few week return > > policy, worst case buy one and return it later. Craigslist, letgo, etc too. > > > > If not that, I'd suspect either memory, gpu (if separate), or mobo. Your > > linux bootloader with grub should include memtest as a menu option by > > default, let that run and test patterns across your ram. If an nvidia gpu, > > install nvtop and psensor to watch your gpu use and temps. Your mobo, look > > for big cylinder components (google capacitor) on the board that have > > exploded or are leaking goo out of them. > > > > -mb > > > > > > On Wed, Jul 15, 2020 at 11:44 AM Michael via PLUG-discuss > > <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > >> do any of the tools on http://www.ultimatebootcd.com/ (scroll down to > >> see the tools) do any dIgnostics on the power supply? > >> > >> On Wed, Jul 15, 2020 at 12:13 PM Michael <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > > >> > the computer gal told me to run it until it dies and then get a new > >> > computer. > >> > > >> > On Wed, Jul 15, 2020 at 12:05 PM Michael <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > > > >> > > darn.... they couldn't find anything wrong with it... sort of. the > >> > > results were inconclusive. Is there an open source diagnostics tool I > >> > > could d/l ? > >> > > > >> > > On Tue, Jul 14, 2020 at 1:01 PM Michael <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > > > > >> > > > Thanks for the tip! YEAH.... I took the easy way out; I took it to a > >> > > > shop. > >> > > > > >> > > > On Tue, Jul 14, 2020 at 10:41 AM Donald Mac McCarthy > >> > > > <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > > > > > >> > > > > I can't confirm really if it would do - I was just pointing out > >> > > > > that > >> > > > > inconsistent power manifests itself in a number of interesting > >> > > > > ways. So > >> > > > > if you suspect the power supply is to blame, it is generally the > >> > > > > cheapest in the chain to fix. You could try replacing the CPU > >> > > > > cooler > >> > > > > first. You can get those for $20-30 for a pretty nice one. If that > >> > > > > doesn't work, yeah - the PSU sounds like it might be your next > >> > > > > best bet. > >> > > > > > >> > > > > Mac > >> > > > > > >> > > > > Michael wrote on 7/13/20 9:14 PM: > >> > > > > > I just opened my box and the power supply fan is spinning as > >> > > > > > well as > >> > > > > > the CPU fan so I don't know what inxi is talking about > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > On Tue, Jul 14, 2020 at 12:09 AM Michael <[email protected]> > >> > > > > > wrote: > >> > > > > >> Thanks for the tip! I'd love to come get it but the distance > >> > > > > >> makes it > >> > > > > >> prohibitive. I live in Florida But you think replacing the power > >> > > > > >> supply unit will do it? > >> > > > > >> > >> > > > > >> On Tue, Jul 14, 2020 at 12:00 AM Donald Mac McCarthy > >> > > > > >> <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > > > > >>> Some boards have 2 fans for CPU - especially boards designed > >> > > > > >>> for > >> > > > > >>> overclocking. The face that you don't have any voltage/RPMs > >> > > > > >>> across the > >> > > > > >>> fan3 may not be a problem. > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > > >>> The only way you are going to be sure to tell it is a power > >> > > > > >>> supply is > >> > > > > >>> generally to replace it. You could replace CPU, memory, or > >> > > > > >>> board one at > >> > > > > >>> a time, but those are generally more expensive than a PSU. > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > > >>> I have had many times that the PSU was the issue when running > >> > > > > >>> a compute > >> > > > > >>> cluster years ago. In one case the PSW was not getting enough > >> > > > > >>> airflow > >> > > > > >>> due to the positional design of the chassis vs the fan > >> > > > > >>> location of a > >> > > > > >>> replacement CPU which had undergone a spec change, and > >> > > > > >>> therefore wouls > >> > > > > >>> reach thermal protection shutdown. In another, a thermal > >> > > > > >>> expansion in a > >> > > > > >>> PSU component when under load would cause a short, and the > >> > > > > >>> system would > >> > > > > >>> shutoff. In another case - dirty output due to a power limiting > >> > > > > >>> component that was failing cause all kinds of problems, > >> > > > > >>> eventually > >> > > > > >>> causing us to have to replace RAM, CPU, MB, and a RAID card > >> > > > > >>> because of > >> > > > > >>> "brown out" type situations. We were only to know what > >> > > > > >>> happened after > >> > > > > >>> the manufacturer did some testing on the RMAed PSU. When you > >> > > > > >>> have 850 > >> > > > > >>> servers all built assembled from components (academic > >> > > > > >>> environment where > >> > > > > >>> the Professor got more systems for his grant money by buying > >> > > > > >>> components > >> > > > > >>> and using undergrad/graduate research assistants to assemble > >> > > > > >>> them), some > >> > > > > >>> interesting things happen, may of them were power supply > >> > > > > >>> related. > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > > >>> Good luck, but I think you may save more in time and effort to > >> > > > > >>> just > >> > > > > >>> replace it. I have a 400W ATX powersupply you can have if you > >> > > > > >>> want to > >> > > > > >>> come get it. I am not sure how much wattage you need, but if > >> > > > > >>> 400 will > >> > > > > >>> cut it - that one can be yours for the low low price of gas > >> > > > > >>> money. > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > > >>> Mac > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > > >>> Michael via PLUG-discuss wrote on 7/13/20 8:41 PM: > >> > > > > >>>> inxi tells me this about my fans: > >> > > > > >>>> > >> > > > > >>>> Fan Speeds (RPM): cpu: 0 fan-1: 3139 fan-3: 0 > >> > > > > >>>> > >> > > > > >>>> So my cpu fan isn't working. I thought my computer would > >> > > > > >>>> CRASH/FREEZE > >> > > > > >>>> more often if the cpu fan wasn't working. What is: fan-1: > >> > > > > >>>> 3139 fan-3: > >> > > > > >>>> 0 > >> > > > > >>>> > >> > > > > >>>> I'm not sure but I think my power supply fan is running slow. > >> > > > > >>>> Is that a thing? > >> > > > > >>>> > >> > > > > >>>> On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 11:26 PM Michael <[email protected]> > >> > > > > >>>> wrote: > >> > > > > >>>>> hey.... I forgot to tell ya all that last night after I put > >> > > > > >>>>> the > >> > > > > >>>>> system under stress I got it to freeze. > >> > > > > >>>>> > >> > > > > >>>>> On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 9:29 PM Michael <[email protected]> > >> > > > > >>>>> wrote: > >> > > > > >>>>>> when I'm just running memory test the temp is 46 > >> > > > > >>>>>> > >> > > > > >>>>>> On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 8:06 PM Michael <[email protected]> > >> > > > > >>>>>> wrote: > >> > > > > >>>>>>> that was it under stress. > >> > > > > >>>>>>> > >> > > > > >>>>>>> On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 4:55 PM Brian Cluff via > >> > > > > >>>>>>> PLUG-discuss > >> > > > > >>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > > > > >>>>>>>> If that's your idle temperature, that is terrible. I'll > >> > > > > >>>>>>>> bet if you run > >> > > > > >>>>>>>> stress while monitoring your temperature you'll see it > >> > > > > >>>>>>>> shoot up even > >> > > > > >>>>>>>> higher than that. > >> > > > > >>>>>>>> > >> > > > > >>>>>>>> (I cook chicken sous vide at 60C) > >> > > > > >>>>>>>> > >> > > > > >>>>>>>> Brian Cluff > >> > > > > >>>>>>>> > >> > > > > >>>>>>>> On 7/13/20 10:05 AM, Michael via PLUG-discuss wrote: > >> > > > > >>>>>>>>> Do 80 is bad? 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