come on now... its the thousand monkeys argument isnt it? talent can sometimes be overrated
if it was developed openly then its a different ball game already. On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 6:15 PM, Oscar Plameras <[email protected]> wrote: > This is the other issue with source code review. > > We are assuming there are expertise who can do the task. > > With due respect, I doubt so. > > On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 9:08 PM, Michael Mondragon > <[email protected]> wrote: >> I am just wondering, given the fact, let's say, we got some TRO of some >> sort, do we still have time to do it? How many of us here, can go with >> source code review then if Comelec will allow us to review source code >> publicly? Though I believe in our capability as Filipinos and most of the >> people here are best of breed, I'm just checking since we are running out of >> time. How long can Supreme Court can interfere with this? Let's say, 2 >> mos. from now, can we still have much time? >> >> >> Regards, >> Mike >> >> >> ----- Original Message ---- >> From: Danny Ching <[email protected]> >> To: Philippine Linux Users' Group (PLUG) Technical Discussion List >> <[email protected]> >> Sent: Mon, October 12, 2009 5:59:33 PM >> Subject: Re: [plug] COMELEC SUED (Was: The Death of Election 2010 Source >> Code Review) >> >> Very true. Unfortunately, I do not trust the programmers if I cannot >> check their work. The purpose of source code validation is not to >> check the computer or it's software's trustworthiness. A computer will >> do what it's told. It is human corruption I'm worried about. Of course >> outside of computers that is a different problem altogether. I just >> don't want people blaming computerization for failure of elections. >> >> Regards, >> Danny Ching >> >> >> On Oct 12, 2009, at 5:53 PM, Oscar Plameras <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> What you mean is the trustworthiness of the people running the system. >>> >>> I'll say one thing from my experience, you can't use the system to >>> arrest >>> human corruption. >>> >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 8:35 PM, Danny Ching <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>>> I think I see where you are coming from. It is not the system we are >>>> worried about sir. It is the trustworthiness of the system. A simple >>>> exposure of the code will show that it is not doing anything out of >>>> the ordinary. Besides. If the code is indeed simple as you said, then >>>> checking the cource code should be easy. >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> Danny Ching >>>> >>>> >>>> On Oct 12, 2009, at 5:26 PM, Oscar Plameras <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> A tester does not need to know about programming to test and accept >>>>> a System. >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 7:47 PM, fooler mail <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>>> On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 3:52 PM, Oscar Plameras <[email protected] >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Remember, Election Automation Software is one of the easiest to >>>>>>> develop. >>>>>>> It is "Count and Tally", nothing complicated and convoluted. >>>>>> >>>>>> true.. BUT... the purpose of source code review is to examine if >>>>>> there >>>>>> is something beyond the count and tally thing which cannot be >>>>>> seen by >>>>>> your simulation test.. as what danny said - TRIGGERS.. >>>>>> >>>>>> special keyboard hotkey, special packets, special ER and others to >>>>>> trigger the manipulation of votes to do the dagdag-bawas scheme... >>>>>> >>>>>> fooler. >>>>>> _________________________________________________ >>>>>> Philippine Linux Users' Group (PLUG) Mailing List >>>>>> http://lists.linux.org.ph/mailman/listinfo/plug >>>>>> Searchable Archives: http://archives.free.net.ph >>>>>> >>>>> _________________________________________________ >>>>> Philippine Linux Users' Group (PLUG) Mailing List >>>>> http://lists.linux.org.ph/mailman/listinfo/plug >>>>> Searchable Archives: http://archives.free.net.ph >>>> _________________________________________________ >>>> Philippine Linux Users' Group (PLUG) Mailing List >>>> http://lists.linux.org.ph/mailman/listinfo/plug >>>> Searchable Archives: http://archives.free.net.ph >>>> >>> _________________________________________________ >>> Philippine Linux Users' Group (PLUG) Mailing List >>> http://lists.linux.org.ph/mailman/listinfo/plug >>> Searchable Archives: http://archives.free.net.ph >> _________________________________________________ >> Philippine Linux Users' Group (PLUG) Mailing List >> http://lists.linux.org.ph/mailman/listinfo/plug >> Searchable Archives: http://archives.free.net.ph >> >> >> >> >> >> _________________________________________________ >> Philippine Linux Users' Group (PLUG) Mailing List >> http://lists.linux.org.ph/mailman/listinfo/plug >> Searchable Archives: http://archives.free.net.ph >> > _________________________________________________ > Philippine Linux Users' Group (PLUG) Mailing List > http://lists.linux.org.ph/mailman/listinfo/plug > Searchable Archives: http://archives.free.net.ph > -- Lay low and nourish in obscurity Linux market share is meaningless. 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