Good day PLUG! I think this thread is getting murky given the "arguments" being put forward by Mr. Palmeras. But I only smell Troll on the list. When a person responds defensively saying "I have 40 years of solid experience in Software Engineering with refutable Companies" I have to advise you against discussing with a person or dinosaur (40 years most likely with likes of mainframe and minicomputers with closed source systems so only black box testing will do if ever there's a will to do so) who's a mere shadow of the company where he's on payroll, and in this case, I'm afraid a representative of the proponent of the fiasco we were supposed to petition against. Add to that the tirade "...what do you as a systems professional? Which company are you currently employed? How long have you been as a programmer?", let us ask Mr. Palmeras then: Saan ka ba ngayon? Saan ka nag-aral? Ano ba tinapos mo? Profession-wise ano bang programming languages and OS(es) ang ginamit at ginagamit mo?
Frankly, I doubt a refined character is behind this troll named Mr. Oscar Palmeras. Mr. Palmeras, if there's one thing we can all be sure about you, it's that you're an Old Mangy Dog (who can't learn new tricks like Free and Open Source Software), to make it easy for this discussion to properly conclude, take you pick on what's your role in this PLUG thred: (a) You're a bastardous senile troll (b) You're an incompetent and bickering 'programmer' (c) You're not a Filipino (d) You're part of the scam ongoing related to the upcoming May 2010 election (e) You're sinfully all of the above PLUG, what do you say we give this Old Mangy Dog his share of 15 minutes fame by sharing his crap rant with www.dailywtf.com for this <unprintable words you wouldn't want your children to hear, read or learn to say pertaining to Mr. Oscar Palmeras> sake? On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 9:57 PM, Danny Ching <[email protected]> wrote: > I think Oscar's position is clear. If we cannot trust the programmers > who then can we trust? > > Our position is also clear: > -if a rogue prorammers enters the equation, we would like to try and > catch the code > - we would like to comply with the law > > Unfortunately we both sides cannot be bridged. So let's just do what > we believe is right. Either ask for source code or check the outcome > via simulation resting. If both happen, then good. > > Next topic please... > > Regards, > Danny Ching > > > On Oct 12, 2009, at 9:36 PM, Oscar Plameras <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > We do it the way it has been done. > > > > Testing the System by Outcomes. > > > > Come up with a set of inputs, and a set of outputs. > > > > If all the outputs (maybe hundreds or thousands) agree with all the > > inputs, then that's acceptable. > > > > > > On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 12:31 AM, <[email protected]> wrote: > >> How do you suggest we ensure that the code that is running does not > >> have the badguyvote++ sub-routine? Checking binaries using pre- > >> defined test cases will probably miss something. > >> > >> "Sent via BlackBerry from Smart" > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Oscar Plameras <[email protected]> > >> Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 00:09:48 > >> To: <[email protected]>; Philippine Linux Users' Group (PLUG) > >> Technical Discussion List<[email protected]> > >> Subject: Re: [plug] COMELEC SUED (Was: The Death of Election 2010 > >> SourceCode > >> Review) > >> > >> It's efficiency. Code source review will not get you to where you > >> want. > >> > >> It will not reach the objective of knowing whether the System is > >> right > >> in doing what it's suppose to deliver. > >> > >> On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 12:08 AM, <[email protected]> wrote: > >>> This is getting out of hand and really entertaining. > >>> > >>> But seriously, what is wrong with a source code audit and a binary > >>> integrity validation mechanism? Just to check if there is not code > >>> that says: "if candidate='good guy' then badguyvote++"? > >>> > >>> "Sent via BlackBerry from Smart" > >>> > >>> -----Original Message----- > >>> From: Oscar Plameras <[email protected]> > >>> Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 23:58:59 > >>> To: Philippine Linux Users' Group (PLUG) Technical Discussion List< > [email protected] > >>> > > >>> Subject: Re: [plug] COMELEC SUED (Was: The Death of Election 2010 > >>> Source > >>> Code Review) > >>> > >>> [email protected] is not even in google search. > >>> > >>> Just another one of those pretenders. > >>> > >>> On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 11:56 PM, Oscar Plameras > >>> <[email protected]> wrote: > >>>> Maybe, just maybe your just one of those pretenders. > >>>> > >>>> On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 11:53 PM, Oscar Plameras > >>>> <[email protected]> wrote: > >>>>> I don't understand. Why would you ask the question? > >>>>> > >>>>> On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 11:50 PM, Daniel Escasa > >>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: > >>>>>> OK, who are you, and what did you do with the Oscar Plameras who > >>>>>> posted this: > http://lists.slug.org.au/archives/slug/2003/08/msg00344.html > >>>>>> and this: > http://archives.free.net.ph/message/20090918.004218.c213bcf2.en.html > >>>>>> ? Oh, and ironically, > >>>>>> http://www.elections.act.gov.au/elections/electronicvoting.html: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> <except> > >>>>>> Source code for 2008 software (zipped file in .zip format - 759 > >>>>>> kb)The > >>>>>> eVACS® source code downloadable here is an extract of the > >>>>>> voting, data > >>>>>> entry, and counting modules as used by Elections ACT and is > >>>>>> provided > >>>>>> for study purposes only. Not included are: (a) artefacts produced > >>>>>> during the eVACS® development process, such as detailed design > >>>>>> specifications; (b) the base Linux operating system and > >>>>>> configuration > >>>>>> files; (c) the scripts that are used to initialise the vote > >>>>>> databases > >>>>>> and invoke the eVACS® modules. The design information for > >>>>>> the eVACS® > >>>>>> system is the property of Software Improvements Pty Ltd. Their > >>>>>> website > >>>>>> is at www.softimp.com.au/. Bona fide researchers interested in > >>>>>> acquiring more of the source code may apply to Software > >>>>>> Improvements > >>>>>> using the form at: www.softimp.com.au/evacs/contactus.html > >>>>>> </excerpt> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Ironic because you're in Australia. And you're even too lazy to > >>>>>> trim > >>>>>> the quotes. And if you have to ask what that's all about, I'll > >>>>>> ask > >>>>>> again: who are you and what did you do to the Oscan Plameras who > >>>>>> posted those two messages in the URLs above? > >>>>>> -- > >>>>>> Daniel O. 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