Well Fooler, I'll just say I disagree with your statements below and leave it at. Good evening.
On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 6:12 PM, fooler mail <[email protected]> wrote: > hi johann... > > the problem is we are not solving the root cause of the problem of our > energy crisis there in the philippines.. installing rooftop solar > panels is a *bandaid* solution to our high cost of electricity there > in the philippines and not about reducing carbon footprint as what > renewable energy proponents trying to fool us... like i said.. who > needs solar panels if we have a cheap electricity... > > fooler. > > On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 3:52 AM, Johann Vincent Paul Tagle > <[email protected]> wrote: > > I think it's been years since I last posted a comment here, but just my > two > > centavos worth: > > > > Fooler, I'll take your word for it re thorium. Actually a few minutes of > > googling tells me it's promising. > > > > However, I think it is wrong to say that betting some resources on > > renewables is a complete waste of time. While solar will not cover > > everything, combined with other solutions it is sustainable. And guess > > what, it is something almost anyone can take advantage of. What's the > harm > > in encouraging those who have the means to install solar systems in their > > homes to reduce their carbon footprint, given that even if the government > > decides to invest in a thorium plant now, it will still take some years > > before we benefit from it? Every MW or even kW saved NOW helps. There's > > nothing wrong with promoting something that can give immediate results, > as > > long as you don't overdo it and do more damage than good (e.g. clear > forests > > to make a solar farm). > > > > I think both renewables and thorium can be long term solutions. For > > example, in places where it will be very expensive to lay out power > lines to > > distribute thorium-generated electricity, things like solar can help. > > > > Johann > > > > > > On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 2:21 PM, Niels Tomey <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > >> yum -y remove coal-powered* && yum -y install thorium-reactor > >> > >> seems like a good start. Honestly I don't think it's a bad thing the > >> Philippines doesn't have nuclear power. Breaking down Meralco's monopoly > >> would be a better way to improve the power situation in this country, > >> because I don't see a reason why electricity should be more expensive > here > >> than in my own country (Netherlands / Europe). > >> > >> > >> > >> Kind regards, > >> > >> Niels Tomey > >> Manager Technical Operations Department > >> iXSforall > >> > >> On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 2:01 PM, Rod James Bio <[email protected]> > wrote: > >>> > >>> Hi fooler, > >>> > >>> Do you have a suggestion on how we as a linux community, or better yet > as > >>> people with no expertise when it comes to nuclear physics, can > contribute? > >>> > >>> > >>> On 3/26/15 12:00, fooler mail wrote: > >>>> > >>>> hi dan, > >>>> > >>>> this is the reason why i said in my other post that focusing on > >>>> renewable energy is a complete waste of time because it is not > >>>> sustainable... instead people must focus and accelerate on clean > >>>> nuclear energy... > >>>> > >>>> with clean nuclear energy.. it translates to abundant energy (or > >>>> electricity)... this translates further to... > >>>> > >>>> 1) with abundant energy.. it creates more food > >>>> 2) with abundant energy.. it creates more water > >>>> 3) with abundant energy.. it creates more advance in technology... > >>>> > >>>> fooler. > >>>> > >>>> On Wed, Mar 25, 2015 at 10:39 PM, Danny Ching <[email protected]> > >>>> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> I think the disparity in the debate is about timelines. From where > I'm > >>>>> sitting, both sides are correct. > >>>>> > >>>>> Thorium obviously will become the de facto energy source in the > future. > >>>>> But > >>>>> for now, while we wait for the tech to become commercially available, > >>>>> solar > >>>>> might be the best stop gap solution. > >>>>> > >>>>> On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 10:04 AM Kelsey Hartigan Go > >>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Hi > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Obet and I don't have a couple of billion dollars. So like Obet, I > >>>>>> will > >>>>>> wait until Thorium development kit is available in stores. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> On Mar 26, 2015 9:13 AM, "fooler mail" <[email protected]> > wrote: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> my question is do you have the expertise to experiment if i give > you > >>>>>>> where to find thorium? i will let nuclear scientist do the > >>>>>>> experiments > >>>>>>> and not you for your own safety.. sure they will attack with the > cost > >>>>>>> as the same as they attack the cost of renewable energy before... > it > >>>>>>> took more than a trillion dollars for the research of a cellphone > and > >>>>>>> most of the users just use for selfie and post it in their > facebook.. > >>>>>>> its just a couple of billion of dollars for the development of > >>>>>>> thorium... > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> fooler. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> On Wed, Mar 25, 2015 at 8:38 PM, Kelsey Hartigan Go > >>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> You can buy solar panels in cdr-king. Where can you buy Thorium in > >>>>>>>> the > >>>>>>>> Philippines if I want to experiment with it? > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> By the way do they come with radiation protection? After you > bombard > >>>>>>>> it > >>>>>>>> with > >>>>>>>> neutrons to make it fuel ready, it will be difficult to handle. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> In any case I don't think we'll see Thorium as a renewable energy > >>>>>>>> anytime > >>>>>>>> soon. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/energy/a11907/is-the-superfuel-thorium-riskier-than-we-thought-14821644/ > >>>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>>> "When a technology is in some difficulty, and nuclear technology > has > >>>>>>>> been > >>>>>>>> shocked by the Fukushima accident in Japan, people search for a > >>>>>>>> magic > >>>>>>>> solution, but there is no silver bullet," he says. "The difference > >>>>>>>> in > >>>>>>>> the > >>>>>>>> state of development of thorium versus other sources of fuel is so > >>>>>>>> vast > >>>>>>>> and > >>>>>>>> the cost of developing the technology is so high, it's really > >>>>>>>> questionable > >>>>>>>> today whether it's worthwhile to spend a lot of money on the > >>>>>>>> development of > >>>>>>>> thorium." > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> i was trying to suggest for you to look at thorium or clean > nuclear > >>>>>>>> energy but your arrogance starts at this statement: > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> "I'll look at thorium once I can buy it from a store (or > Raon...)." > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> fooler. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> On Wed, Mar 25, 2015 at 7:53 PM, Roberto Verzola > >>>>>>>> <[email protected]> > >>>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Sorry, I sent this as private mail but it seems to have ended up > on > >>>>>>>>> the > >>>>>>>>> list. My apologies to Mr. fooler. This was not meant to be for > >>>>>>>>> public > >>>>>>>>> consumption. Forgive an old man for his mistake. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Obet > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> On Thu, 26 Mar 2015 06:59:06 +0800 > >>>>>>>>> Roberto Verzola <[email protected]> wrote: > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Thanks for your comment. It is hard to feel welcome to plug if > >>>>>>>>>> fools > >>>>>>>>>> who are only after winning debates and nothing else are allowed > to > >>>>>>>>>> get > >>>>>>>>>> away browbeating others with insults and false expertise. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> It was my mistake, I took the bait. I should have known better. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> I've ran lists and boards decades ago, and I still do today. I > >>>>>>>>>> won't > >>>>>>>>>> allow such rude behavior on lists I really care about, even if > >>>>>>>>>> I'm > >>>>>>>>>> not the moderator. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> But of course each list has its own culture and practices. If > plug > >>>>>>>>>> prefers it that way, that's also fine. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Greetings, > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Obet > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 25 Mar 2015 04:45:52 +0800 > >>>>>>>>>> Gabriel Briones <[email protected]> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Hi Roberto, > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Welcome to PLUG :-) > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> debate is always part of the community and I don't think it > will > >>>>>>>>>>> change. I've been to this list long enough to witness these :-) > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> And I alway admire people like you who initiates an action to > >>>>>>>>>>> cool > >>>>>>>>>>> down the topic. > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> No idea is a bad idea, some ideas are just better, but just > like > >>>>>>>>>>> what we're always saying, if what you're doing makes you happy, > >>>>>>>>>>> the > >>>>>>>>>>> rest is irrelevant. > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Best regards, > >>>>>>>>>>> Gabriel > >>>>>>>>>>> On 24 Mar 2015 19:27, "Roberto Verzola" <[email protected]> > >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> I apologize to all for trigerring an off-topic debate. All I > >>>>>>>>>>>> wanted was to reach old friends I knew were still on this > list. > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Guys, just email me privately. 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