I did not say the Philippines cant its not my point. I said we can support it. On Mar 27, 2015 9:33 AM, "fooler mail" <[email protected]> wrote:
> other countries are using and improving thorium already... india is > doing it already.. why philippines cant? > > fooler. > > On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 9:25 PM, philip morales <[email protected]> > wrote: > > Both renewable energy and thorium have their pros and cons. > > Renewable energy may not be as promising as thorium but it can be > > implemented and use today and can provide significant impact in the > lives of > > our fellow citizen. > > Thorium has the potential power and can be the solution but it cannot > not be > > implemented today or in the near future. > > > > Why not use the best of both technologies? We can support Obet in his > > advocacy not by using it but by just sharing his works to others. We can > > reach those people who actually need it. > > If in the future a project about thorium came up we can support it as > well. > > > > If we can utilize renewable energy for the next 10+++ years its a good > > investment. > > > > Doing something that can give significant results like Obet's advocacy is > > not a waste of time. > > > > Doing nothing and waiting for something to happen, that is a waste of > time. > > > > Phil > > > > On Mar 27, 2015 7:28 AM, "fooler mail" <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > >> i respect that as we have different views johann... only time will > >> tell someday... > >> > >> fooler. > >> > >> On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 8:53 AM, Johann Vincent Paul Tagle > >> <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > Well Fooler, I'll just say I disagree with your statements below and > >> > leave > >> > it at. Good evening. > >> > > >> > On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 6:12 PM, fooler mail <[email protected]> > >> > wrote: > >> >> > >> >> hi johann... > >> >> > >> >> the problem is we are not solving the root cause of the problem of > our > >> >> energy crisis there in the philippines.. installing rooftop solar > >> >> panels is a *bandaid* solution to our high cost of electricity there > >> >> in the philippines and not about reducing carbon footprint as what > >> >> renewable energy proponents trying to fool us... like i said.. who > >> >> needs solar panels if we have a cheap electricity... > >> >> > >> >> fooler. > >> >> > >> >> On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 3:52 AM, Johann Vincent Paul Tagle > >> >> <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> > I think it's been years since I last posted a comment here, but > just > >> >> > my > >> >> > two > >> >> > centavos worth: > >> >> > > >> >> > Fooler, I'll take your word for it re thorium. Actually a few > >> >> > minutes > >> >> > of > >> >> > googling tells me it's promising. > >> >> > > >> >> > However, I think it is wrong to say that betting some resources on > >> >> > renewables is a complete waste of time. While solar will not cover > >> >> > everything, combined with other solutions it is sustainable. And > >> >> > guess > >> >> > what, it is something almost anyone can take advantage of. What's > >> >> > the > >> >> > harm > >> >> > in encouraging those who have the means to install solar systems in > >> >> > their > >> >> > homes to reduce their carbon footprint, given that even if the > >> >> > government > >> >> > decides to invest in a thorium plant now, it will still take some > >> >> > years > >> >> > before we benefit from it? Every MW or even kW saved NOW helps. > >> >> > There's > >> >> > nothing wrong with promoting something that can give immediate > >> >> > results, > >> >> > as > >> >> > long as you don't overdo it and do more damage than good (e.g. > clear > >> >> > forests > >> >> > to make a solar farm). > >> >> > > >> >> > I think both renewables and thorium can be long term solutions. > For > >> >> > example, in places where it will be very expensive to lay out power > >> >> > lines to > >> >> > distribute thorium-generated electricity, things like solar can > help. > >> >> > > >> >> > Johann > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 2:21 PM, Niels Tomey <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> >> > >> >> >> yum -y remove coal-powered* && yum -y install thorium-reactor > >> >> >> > >> >> >> seems like a good start. Honestly I don't think it's a bad thing > the > >> >> >> Philippines doesn't have nuclear power. Breaking down Meralco's > >> >> >> monopoly > >> >> >> would be a better way to improve the power situation in this > >> >> >> country, > >> >> >> because I don't see a reason why electricity should be more > >> >> >> expensive > >> >> >> here > >> >> >> than in my own country (Netherlands / Europe). > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Kind regards, > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Niels Tomey > >> >> >> Manager Technical Operations Department > >> >> >> iXSforall > >> >> >> > >> >> >> On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 2:01 PM, Rod James Bio <[email protected]> > >> >> >> wrote: > >> >> >>> > >> >> >>> Hi fooler, > >> >> >>> > >> >> >>> Do you have a suggestion on how we as a linux community, or > better > >> >> >>> yet > >> >> >>> as > >> >> >>> people with no expertise when it comes to nuclear physics, can > >> >> >>> contribute? > >> >> >>> > >> >> >>> > >> >> >>> On 3/26/15 12:00, fooler mail wrote: > >> >> >>>> > >> >> >>>> hi dan, > >> >> >>>> > >> >> >>>> this is the reason why i said in my other post that focusing on > >> >> >>>> renewable energy is a complete waste of time because it is not > >> >> >>>> sustainable... instead people must focus and accelerate on clean > >> >> >>>> nuclear energy... > >> >> >>>> > >> >> >>>> with clean nuclear energy.. it translates to abundant energy (or > >> >> >>>> electricity)... this translates further to... > >> >> >>>> > >> >> >>>> 1) with abundant energy.. it creates more food > >> >> >>>> 2) with abundant energy.. it creates more water > >> >> >>>> 3) with abundant energy.. it creates more advance in > technology... > >> >> >>>> > >> >> >>>> fooler. > >> >> >>>> > >> >> >>>> On Wed, Mar 25, 2015 at 10:39 PM, Danny Ching < > [email protected]> > >> >> >>>> wrote: > >> >> >>>>> > >> >> >>>>> I think the disparity in the debate is about timelines. From > >> >> >>>>> where > >> >> >>>>> I'm > >> >> >>>>> sitting, both sides are correct. > >> >> >>>>> > >> >> >>>>> Thorium obviously will become the de facto energy source in the > >> >> >>>>> future. > >> >> >>>>> But > >> >> >>>>> for now, while we wait for the tech to become commercially > >> >> >>>>> available, > >> >> >>>>> solar > >> >> >>>>> might be the best stop gap solution. > >> >> >>>>> > >> >> >>>>> On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 10:04 AM Kelsey Hartigan Go > >> >> >>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> >>>>>> > >> >> >>>>>> > >> >> >>>>>> Hi > >> >> >>>>>> > >> >> >>>>>> Obet and I don't have a couple of billion dollars. So like > >> >> >>>>>> Obet, I > >> >> >>>>>> will > >> >> >>>>>> wait until Thorium development kit is available in stores. > >> >> >>>>>> > >> >> >>>>>> On Mar 26, 2015 9:13 AM, "fooler mail" <[email protected] > > > >> >> >>>>>> wrote: > >> >> >>>>>>> > >> >> >>>>>>> > >> >> >>>>>>> my question is do you have the expertise to experiment if i > >> >> >>>>>>> give > >> >> >>>>>>> you > >> >> >>>>>>> where to find thorium? i will let nuclear scientist do the > >> >> >>>>>>> experiments > >> >> >>>>>>> and not you for your own safety.. sure they will attack with > >> >> >>>>>>> the > >> >> >>>>>>> cost > >> >> >>>>>>> as the same as they attack the cost of renewable energy > >> >> >>>>>>> before... > >> >> >>>>>>> it > >> >> >>>>>>> took more than a trillion dollars for the research of a > >> >> >>>>>>> cellphone > >> >> >>>>>>> and > >> >> >>>>>>> most of the users just use for selfie and post it in their > >> >> >>>>>>> facebook.. > >> >> >>>>>>> its just a couple of billion of dollars for the development > of > >> >> >>>>>>> thorium... > >> >> >>>>>>> > >> >> >>>>>>> fooler. > >> >> >>>>>>> > >> >> >>>>>>> On Wed, Mar 25, 2015 at 8:38 PM, Kelsey Hartigan Go > >> >> >>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> >>>>>>>> > >> >> >>>>>>>> You can buy solar panels in cdr-king. Where can you buy > >> >> >>>>>>>> Thorium > >> >> >>>>>>>> in > >> >> >>>>>>>> the > >> >> >>>>>>>> Philippines if I want to experiment with it? > >> >> >>>>>>>> > >> >> >>>>>>>> By the way do they come with radiation protection? After you > >> >> >>>>>>>> bombard > >> >> >>>>>>>> it > >> >> >>>>>>>> with > >> >> >>>>>>>> neutrons to make it fuel ready, it will be difficult to > >> >> >>>>>>>> handle. > >> >> >>>>>>>> > >> >> >>>>>>>> In any case I don't think we'll see Thorium as a renewable > >> >> >>>>>>>> energy > >> >> >>>>>>>> anytime > >> >> >>>>>>>> soon. > >> >> >>>>>>>> > >> >> >>>>>>>> > >> >> >>>>>>>> > >> >> >>>>>>>> > >> >> >>>>>>>> > >> >> >>>>>>>> > http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/energy/a11907/is-the-superfuel-thorium-riskier-than-we-thought-14821644/ > >> >> >>>>>>>> -- > >> >> >>>>>>>> "When a technology is in some difficulty, and nuclear > >> >> >>>>>>>> technology > >> >> >>>>>>>> has > >> >> >>>>>>>> been > >> >> >>>>>>>> shocked by the Fukushima accident in Japan, people search > for > >> >> >>>>>>>> a > >> >> >>>>>>>> magic > >> >> >>>>>>>> solution, but there is no silver bullet," he says. "The > >> >> >>>>>>>> difference > >> >> >>>>>>>> in > >> >> >>>>>>>> the > >> >> >>>>>>>> state of development of thorium versus other sources of fuel > >> >> >>>>>>>> is > >> >> >>>>>>>> so > >> >> >>>>>>>> vast > >> >> >>>>>>>> and > >> >> >>>>>>>> the cost of developing the technology is so high, it's > really > >> >> >>>>>>>> questionable > >> >> >>>>>>>> today whether it's worthwhile to spend a lot of money on the > >> >> >>>>>>>> development of > >> >> >>>>>>>> thorium." > >> >> >>>>>>>> > >> >> >>>>>>>> i was trying to suggest for you to look at thorium or clean > >> >> >>>>>>>> nuclear > >> >> >>>>>>>> energy but your arrogance starts at this statement: > >> >> >>>>>>>> > >> >> >>>>>>>> "I'll look at thorium once I can buy it from a store (or > >> >> >>>>>>>> Raon...)." > >> >> >>>>>>>> > >> >> >>>>>>>> fooler. > >> >> >>>>>>>> > >> >> >>>>>>>> On Wed, Mar 25, 2015 at 7:53 PM, Roberto Verzola > >> >> >>>>>>>> <[email protected]> > >> >> >>>>>>>> wrote: > >> >> >>>>>>>>> > >> >> >>>>>>>>> Sorry, I sent this as private mail but it seems to have > ended > >> >> >>>>>>>>> up > >> >> >>>>>>>>> on > >> >> >>>>>>>>> the > >> >> >>>>>>>>> list. My apologies to Mr. fooler. This was not meant to be > >> >> >>>>>>>>> for > >> >> >>>>>>>>> public > >> >> >>>>>>>>> consumption. Forgive an old man for his mistake. > >> >> >>>>>>>>> > >> >> >>>>>>>>> Obet > >> >> >>>>>>>>> > >> >> >>>>>>>>> > >> >> >>>>>>>>> On Thu, 26 Mar 2015 06:59:06 +0800 > >> >> >>>>>>>>> Roberto Verzola <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> >>>>>>>>> > >> >> >>>>>>>>>> Thanks for your comment. It is hard to feel welcome to > plug > >> >> >>>>>>>>>> if > >> >> >>>>>>>>>> fools > >> >> >>>>>>>>>> who are only after winning debates and nothing else are > >> >> >>>>>>>>>> allowed > >> >> >>>>>>>>>> to > >> >> >>>>>>>>>> get > >> >> >>>>>>>>>> away browbeating others with insults and false expertise. > >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >>>>>>>>>> It was my mistake, I took the bait. I should have known > >> >> >>>>>>>>>> better. > >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >>>>>>>>>> I've ran lists and boards decades ago, and I still do > today. > >> >> >>>>>>>>>> I > >> >> >>>>>>>>>> won't > >> >> >>>>>>>>>> allow such rude behavior on lists I really care about, > even > >> >> >>>>>>>>>> if > >> >> >>>>>>>>>> I'm > >> >> >>>>>>>>>> not the moderator. > >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >>>>>>>>>> But of course each list has its own culture and practices. > >> >> >>>>>>>>>> If > >> >> >>>>>>>>>> plug > >> >> >>>>>>>>>> prefers it that way, that's also fine. > >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >>>>>>>>>> Greetings, > >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >>>>>>>>>> Obet > >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 25 Mar 2015 04:45:52 +0800 > >> >> >>>>>>>>>> Gabriel Briones <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Hi Roberto, > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Welcome to PLUG :-) > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> debate is always part of the community and I don't think > it > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> will > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> change. I've been to this list long enough to witness > these > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> :-) > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> And I alway admire people like you who initiates an > action > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> to > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> cool > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> down the topic. > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> No idea is a bad idea, some ideas are just better, but > just > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> like > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> what we're always saying, if what you're doing makes you > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> happy, > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> the > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> rest is irrelevant. > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Best regards, > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Gabriel > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> On 24 Mar 2015 19:27, "Roberto Verzola" > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> I apologize to all for trigerring an off-topic debate. > All > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> I > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> wanted was to reach old friends I knew were still on > this > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> list. > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> Guys, just email me privately. 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