Both renewable energy and thorium have their pros and cons. Renewable energy may not be as promising as thorium but it can be implemented and use today and can provide significant impact in the lives of our fellow citizen. Thorium has the potential power and can be the solution but it cannot not be implemented today or in the near future.
Why not use the best of both technologies? We can support Obet in his advocacy not by using it but by just sharing his works to others. We can reach those people who actually need it. If in the future a project about thorium came up we can support it as well. If we can utilize renewable energy for the next 10+++ years its a good investment. Doing something that can give significant results like Obet's advocacy is not a waste of time. Doing nothing and waiting for something to happen, that is a waste of time. Phil On Mar 27, 2015 7:28 AM, "fooler mail" <[email protected]> wrote: > i respect that as we have different views johann... only time will > tell someday... > > fooler. > > On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 8:53 AM, Johann Vincent Paul Tagle > <[email protected]> wrote: > > Well Fooler, I'll just say I disagree with your statements below and > leave > > it at. Good evening. > > > > On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 6:12 PM, fooler mail <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> > >> hi johann... > >> > >> the problem is we are not solving the root cause of the problem of our > >> energy crisis there in the philippines.. installing rooftop solar > >> panels is a *bandaid* solution to our high cost of electricity there > >> in the philippines and not about reducing carbon footprint as what > >> renewable energy proponents trying to fool us... like i said.. who > >> needs solar panels if we have a cheap electricity... > >> > >> fooler. > >> > >> On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 3:52 AM, Johann Vincent Paul Tagle > >> <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > I think it's been years since I last posted a comment here, but just > my > >> > two > >> > centavos worth: > >> > > >> > Fooler, I'll take your word for it re thorium. Actually a few minutes > >> > of > >> > googling tells me it's promising. > >> > > >> > However, I think it is wrong to say that betting some resources on > >> > renewables is a complete waste of time. While solar will not cover > >> > everything, combined with other solutions it is sustainable. And > guess > >> > what, it is something almost anyone can take advantage of. What's the > >> > harm > >> > in encouraging those who have the means to install solar systems in > >> > their > >> > homes to reduce their carbon footprint, given that even if the > >> > government > >> > decides to invest in a thorium plant now, it will still take some > years > >> > before we benefit from it? Every MW or even kW saved NOW helps. > >> > There's > >> > nothing wrong with promoting something that can give immediate > results, > >> > as > >> > long as you don't overdo it and do more damage than good (e.g. clear > >> > forests > >> > to make a solar farm). > >> > > >> > I think both renewables and thorium can be long term solutions. For > >> > example, in places where it will be very expensive to lay out power > >> > lines to > >> > distribute thorium-generated electricity, things like solar can help. > >> > > >> > Johann > >> > > >> > > >> > On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 2:21 PM, Niels Tomey <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> > >> >> yum -y remove coal-powered* && yum -y install thorium-reactor > >> >> > >> >> seems like a good start. Honestly I don't think it's a bad thing the > >> >> Philippines doesn't have nuclear power. Breaking down Meralco's > >> >> monopoly > >> >> would be a better way to improve the power situation in this country, > >> >> because I don't see a reason why electricity should be more expensive > >> >> here > >> >> than in my own country (Netherlands / Europe). > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> Kind regards, > >> >> > >> >> Niels Tomey > >> >> Manager Technical Operations Department > >> >> iXSforall > >> >> > >> >> On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 2:01 PM, Rod James Bio <[email protected]> > >> >> wrote: > >> >>> > >> >>> Hi fooler, > >> >>> > >> >>> Do you have a suggestion on how we as a linux community, or better > yet > >> >>> as > >> >>> people with no expertise when it comes to nuclear physics, can > >> >>> contribute? > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> On 3/26/15 12:00, fooler mail wrote: > >> >>>> > >> >>>> hi dan, > >> >>>> > >> >>>> this is the reason why i said in my other post that focusing on > >> >>>> renewable energy is a complete waste of time because it is not > >> >>>> sustainable... instead people must focus and accelerate on clean > >> >>>> nuclear energy... > >> >>>> > >> >>>> with clean nuclear energy.. it translates to abundant energy (or > >> >>>> electricity)... this translates further to... > >> >>>> > >> >>>> 1) with abundant energy.. it creates more food > >> >>>> 2) with abundant energy.. it creates more water > >> >>>> 3) with abundant energy.. it creates more advance in technology... > >> >>>> > >> >>>> fooler. > >> >>>> > >> >>>> On Wed, Mar 25, 2015 at 10:39 PM, Danny Ching <[email protected]> > >> >>>> wrote: > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> I think the disparity in the debate is about timelines. From where > >> >>>>> I'm > >> >>>>> sitting, both sides are correct. > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> Thorium obviously will become the de facto energy source in the > >> >>>>> future. > >> >>>>> But > >> >>>>> for now, while we wait for the tech to become commercially > >> >>>>> available, > >> >>>>> solar > >> >>>>> might be the best stop gap solution. > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 10:04 AM Kelsey Hartigan Go > >> >>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> Hi > >> >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> Obet and I don't have a couple of billion dollars. So like > Obet, I > >> >>>>>> will > >> >>>>>> wait until Thorium development kit is available in stores. > >> >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> On Mar 26, 2015 9:13 AM, "fooler mail" <[email protected]> > >> >>>>>> wrote: > >> >>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>> my question is do you have the expertise to experiment if i give > >> >>>>>>> you > >> >>>>>>> where to find thorium? i will let nuclear scientist do the > >> >>>>>>> experiments > >> >>>>>>> and not you for your own safety.. sure they will attack with the > >> >>>>>>> cost > >> >>>>>>> as the same as they attack the cost of renewable energy > before... > >> >>>>>>> it > >> >>>>>>> took more than a trillion dollars for the research of a > cellphone > >> >>>>>>> and > >> >>>>>>> most of the users just use for selfie and post it in their > >> >>>>>>> facebook.. > >> >>>>>>> its just a couple of billion of dollars for the development of > >> >>>>>>> thorium... > >> >>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>> fooler. > >> >>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>> On Wed, Mar 25, 2015 at 8:38 PM, Kelsey Hartigan Go > >> >>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>> You can buy solar panels in cdr-king. Where can you buy Thorium > >> >>>>>>>> in > >> >>>>>>>> the > >> >>>>>>>> Philippines if I want to experiment with it? > >> >>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>> By the way do they come with radiation protection? After you > >> >>>>>>>> bombard > >> >>>>>>>> it > >> >>>>>>>> with > >> >>>>>>>> neutrons to make it fuel ready, it will be difficult to handle. > >> >>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>> In any case I don't think we'll see Thorium as a renewable > energy > >> >>>>>>>> anytime > >> >>>>>>>> soon. > >> >>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>> > http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/energy/a11907/is-the-superfuel-thorium-riskier-than-we-thought-14821644/ > >> >>>>>>>> -- > >> >>>>>>>> "When a technology is in some difficulty, and nuclear > technology > >> >>>>>>>> has > >> >>>>>>>> been > >> >>>>>>>> shocked by the Fukushima accident in Japan, people search for a > >> >>>>>>>> magic > >> >>>>>>>> solution, but there is no silver bullet," he says. "The > >> >>>>>>>> difference > >> >>>>>>>> in > >> >>>>>>>> the > >> >>>>>>>> state of development of thorium versus other sources of fuel is > >> >>>>>>>> so > >> >>>>>>>> vast > >> >>>>>>>> and > >> >>>>>>>> the cost of developing the technology is so high, it's really > >> >>>>>>>> questionable > >> >>>>>>>> today whether it's worthwhile to spend a lot of money on the > >> >>>>>>>> development of > >> >>>>>>>> thorium." > >> >>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>> i was trying to suggest for you to look at thorium or clean > >> >>>>>>>> nuclear > >> >>>>>>>> energy but your arrogance starts at this statement: > >> >>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>> "I'll look at thorium once I can buy it from a store (or > >> >>>>>>>> Raon...)." > >> >>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>> fooler. > >> >>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>> On Wed, Mar 25, 2015 at 7:53 PM, Roberto Verzola > >> >>>>>>>> <[email protected]> > >> >>>>>>>> wrote: > >> >>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>> Sorry, I sent this as private mail but it seems to have ended > up > >> >>>>>>>>> on > >> >>>>>>>>> the > >> >>>>>>>>> list. My apologies to Mr. fooler. This was not meant to be for > >> >>>>>>>>> public > >> >>>>>>>>> consumption. Forgive an old man for his mistake. > >> >>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>> Obet > >> >>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>> On Thu, 26 Mar 2015 06:59:06 +0800 > >> >>>>>>>>> Roberto Verzola <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> Thanks for your comment. It is hard to feel welcome to plug > if > >> >>>>>>>>>> fools > >> >>>>>>>>>> who are only after winning debates and nothing else are > allowed > >> >>>>>>>>>> to > >> >>>>>>>>>> get > >> >>>>>>>>>> away browbeating others with insults and false expertise. > >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> It was my mistake, I took the bait. I should have known > better. > >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> I've ran lists and boards decades ago, and I still do today. > I > >> >>>>>>>>>> won't > >> >>>>>>>>>> allow such rude behavior on lists I really care about, even > if > >> >>>>>>>>>> I'm > >> >>>>>>>>>> not the moderator. > >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> But of course each list has its own culture and practices. If > >> >>>>>>>>>> plug > >> >>>>>>>>>> prefers it that way, that's also fine. > >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> Greetings, > >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> Obet > >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 25 Mar 2015 04:45:52 +0800 > >> >>>>>>>>>> Gabriel Briones <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> Hi Roberto, > >> >>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> Welcome to PLUG :-) > >> >>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> debate is always part of the community and I don't think it > >> >>>>>>>>>>> will > >> >>>>>>>>>>> change. I've been to this list long enough to witness these > >> >>>>>>>>>>> :-) > >> >>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> And I alway admire people like you who initiates an action > to > >> >>>>>>>>>>> cool > >> >>>>>>>>>>> down the topic. > >> >>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> No idea is a bad idea, some ideas are just better, but just > >> >>>>>>>>>>> like > >> >>>>>>>>>>> what we're always saying, if what you're doing makes you > >> >>>>>>>>>>> happy, > >> >>>>>>>>>>> the > >> >>>>>>>>>>> rest is irrelevant. > >> >>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> Best regards, > >> >>>>>>>>>>> Gabriel > >> >>>>>>>>>>> On 24 Mar 2015 19:27, "Roberto Verzola" < > [email protected]> > >> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > >> >>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>> I apologize to all for trigerring an off-topic debate. All > I > >> >>>>>>>>>>>> wanted was to reach old friends I knew were still on this > >> >>>>>>>>>>>> list. > >> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>> Guys, just email me privately. 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