On Mon, 2011-10-03 at 19:26 -0700, Fernando Freire wrote: > On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 6:56 PM, Jameson Williams > <[email protected]> wrote: > > What is preventing our list administrators from removing the offending party > > from the subscribers list, and adding a regex for the offending domain to > > the ban list? The years of repeated violation of publicly stated list rules > > would justify this - and to do so could greatly benefit the quality of our > > transactions. > > As Galen Sietz mentioned in a thread in PLUG-TALK, the list > administrators take a different tack to the situation: > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/pipermail/plug/2004-May/032032.html > > Banning even a single member from this list (no matter what side of > this issue you fall on) has the potential to snowball into something > much nastier; I'd hate to see a GNU/Linux mailing list degenerate into > a walled garden where discussion about free software is maintained by > a select few. The old adage goes "Live and let be", and that's exactly > what I do when reading this list, many times I ignore the originating > sender and focus on the content of the post, amazing right? If the > topic doesn't pertain and/or interest you then perhaps it is in your > best interest to leave it alone. This idle banter about degrading the > quality of the list etc, etc, is only affecting the bigots who choose > to focus on the actions of a solitary troll -- ignore it and move on! > I think we've beaten this horse long enough, can we please drop the > issue?
I found what you say interesting up to the point where you called me a troll. Is that really any way to treat a fellow Linux user? I don't think so, and frankly if this community is going to grow, this kind of behavior has to STOP. Maybe the list guidelines aren't strongly defined and perhaps that is an issue that does need addressing. First off, there is no penalty for making a religiously controversial comment, such as, "God is a woman," on list. There is no penalty for saying things like, "Obama has big shoes to fill, I'll buy him a pair." The person who pointed out that Keith broke the rules of the list should not have been the person that had to face severe consequences. I was that person. Those who are commenting now, most of you are not list moderators. Remember that before you continue being self righteous. I think those who are itching for a fight need to stop and reevaluate what they are doing and why they are doing it. Does this behavior help anyone use Linux? Does it encourage any people to adopt Linux? Boy oh boy, that PLUG list is full of Liberal Democrat thugs, I've just got to use Linux. I use Linux because I am a college student who needs something inexpensive that works. I'm sure I'm not the only one who can say that. This community in my opinion is not very diverse if only one person can stand up and say, "I found your point of view interesting." The lack of diversity on PLUG suggests that there is a large population in Oregon that is not interested in Linux. Why are people not interested? I suppose I can try to hide behind Google mail and hope that things don't go south again. I shouldn't have to hide. Diversity is a reality, that is why political/religious comments are against the rules on this list. With no enforcement though and no moderating, what's the point of there being any rules? The question boils down to this, is the PLUG list going to be an exclusive club or is it going to be an email list that welcomes everyone? If someone is targeted by bigots, is it right to say that the person can simply go elsewhere? What will happen if someone stumbles on PLUG, has a bad experience here, and then he/she is faced with the question of where to go with Linux? Chances are, that person will dump Linux and try to make do with Windows or ReactOS. Bigotry will be the ruin of Linux. May not be today, may not be tomorrow that Linux loses to Windows... but what about the day after? Linux came to be because Linus Torvalds got help from other people. Without the Net, Linux may never have come into existence. Linux is real, look at the progress that has been made since the 1.0 kernel. We are up to the Linux 3 kernel now. Linus actually lives or did live in our state. Fermi labs and other major places including NASA use Linux. There are college courses on Linux. Many Windows programs run on Linux. And most of us who use Linux didn't have to: produce it, purchase it, or otherwise seek a license for it. Some of us may tweak it here or change it there. Maybe IBM contributed Postfix. There is more to talk about, but I'm not the expert and this is already turning into a major article ;-) _______________________________________________ PLUG mailing list [email protected] http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
