oh gawd *Hughesnet*
On 04/11/2017 07:05 PM, Chuck Hast wrote: > Oh, ok. Yes, I am looking at getting a WX proof modem, something that uses > PoE, and directional antennas, put a shack up on the ridge and use solar or > wind to keep it powered and run the link down to the house using some fibre. > > Actually put up some sort of tower and mount the whole thing in a WX proof > box, put the radio and antenna up on top of the tower, and hang the box at > the bottom. The power and media converter will be in that box, perhaps an- > other box for the batteries below it. Keep the out gas out of the equipment > box. > > If I can get the AT&T offer of 250GB for $60/mo I will be very happy as I am > getting taken to the cleaners with Hughesnet. > > On Tue, Apr 11, 2017 at 5:06 PM, wes <[email protected]> wrote: > >> I was referring to your idea of putting an LTE gateway up on a ridge. Just >> thinking of water and sun protection, nothing extraordinary. >> >> -wes >> >> On Mon, Apr 10, 2017 at 8:36 AM, Chuck Hast <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Are you talking about ESD or physically protecting the device? The remote >>> sensors are wireless so a lightning strike would take them out but >> probably >>> not do much to the rest of it unless it comes through the 110v line, or >> the >>> EMP >>> was too high, in that case there just is not much you can do about the >> EMP, >>> it is cheaper to replace the RPi and console that block for the EMP. I >> used >>> to >>> live in lightning prone areas, Costa Rica and Tampa, FL. I have seen my >>> fair >>> share of lightning damage, one thing I learned was to run all long >> network >>> runs as fiber rather than Cat5/6. No issues with EMP with the fiber. >>> >>> The console and RPi are inside the home so they are protected. >>> >>> >>> On Sun, Apr 9, 2017 at 10:58 PM, wes <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> What do you plan to use for weather protection? >>>> >>>> -wes >>>> >>>> On Sun, Apr 9, 2017 at 9:54 PM, Chuck Hast <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Tomás >>>>> Sorry I should have got back on and told you I found it, but the >>> charge >>>>> rate >>>>> is only 1.5 amp, the other unit is 2.0 amp. The RPi doing the WeeWx >>> stuff >>>>> pulls data every 60 seconds, writes to the DB and then sends it out >> to >>>> WU, >>>>> CWOP and Findu.com. When it does that it pulls a wee bit more current >>>>> that usual. So I am going to give the other unit a try as I have the >>> PSU >>>>> for >>>>> it. I will also power the Acurite console off of it. If this works I >>>> have >>>>> a whole >>>>> boat load of places I am going to do that trick. Indeed if we do not >>> move >>>>> out >>>>> of this place, I am going to put an RPi up on the ridge above the >>> house >>>>> with >>>>> a AT&T LTE modem on it, AT&T has an offer of 250GB/mo @ $60/mo or 500 >>>>> GB/mo @ $100/mo. They just came out with the offer last month, it is >>>>> directed >>>>> at some states back east, but people are calling and getting the >>> offering >>>>> every- >>>>> where they have put in LTE. At this time I have 50GB @ $110/mo with >>>> Hughes >>>>> net, and they suck royally. So I can put an RPi up on the ridge and >> run >>>>> about >>>>> 500ft of fibre down to the house let the RPi handle the cell modem >> and >>>> get >>>>> rid of Hughesnet. Whattavampire they are. That one I will power with >>> the >>>>> "kludge" as it will be a much better option there. May even try some >>>> solar >>>>> to see how much the batteries will keep up that way. Use an RPi to >>>> monitor >>>>> that too. >>>>> >>>>> If I get the job I am angling for I will not need to worry about it, >>> but >>>> I >>>>> can >>>>> always find something for an RPi to do. >>>>> >>>>> On Sun, Apr 9, 2017 at 8:21 PM, Tom <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>>>> Follow the second link, scroll down to product description about >> half >>>>>> way through the page, and check the Duo-Charge Section: >>>>>> Product description >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Offer Type:19200mAH >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> TeckNet PowerTitan T2 19200mAH >>> External >>>>>> Battery: >>>>>> Save time when charging! >>>>>> >>>>>> . >>>>>> . >>>>>> . >>>>>> Duo-Charge: >>>>>> The Duo-Charge function enables charging of the PowerTitan while it >>>>>> recharges a connected device such as an iPhone or iPad. >>>>>> ....... >>>>>> Besides the battery capacity, there does not seem to be functional >>>>>> difference between the chargers. Either of them should keep mostly >>> idle >>>>>> RPi running for at close to a day. I have 6500mAh USB charger >> running >>>>>> RPi + PWM hat + WiFi dongle + a few sensors on a robot cart for >>> about 8 >>>>>> -9-hours straight. The Pi lasts much longer than the other battery >>> pack >>>>>> feeding the motors. >>>>>> I should have mentioned it in my original post, I thought that it >> is >>>>>> obvious: >>>>>> If your RPi consumes close to or more than the charging current max >>> 2A >>>>>> (depending on your actual power supply) - about 10% to power the >>>>>> charger = ~1800mA --> your battery pack will not recharge after the >>>>>> outage. In such case you would have to come up with different UPS >>>>>> solution. >>>>>> Best luck, Tomas >>>>>> On Sun, 2017-04-09 at 19:23 -0700, Chuck Hast wrote: >>>>>>> Tomas, >>>>>>> The second selection looks more like what I am looking for but >> the >>>>>>> first one >>>>>>> will certainly work. But I do not see mention of pass through >>>>>>> charging or >>>>>>> charge while charging. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Went ahead and bought the first selection. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sun, Apr 9, 2017 at 6:46 AM, Nat Taylor <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> I use something like that second battery to power my pi, it's >>> just >>>>>>>> a cell >>>>>>>> phone charger, I'm not sure what running it while plugged in >> does >>>>>>>> to it's >>>>>>>> life. One could put it on a timer so the power cuts, it >> drains >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> battery for a while, then charges back up if that was >>> advantageous >>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>> battery life... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Sun, Apr 9, 2017 at 2:39 AM Tom < >> [email protected] >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> There are probably other USB power banks which can be charged >>> and >>>>>>>>> discharged together. Here are two examples: >>>>>>>>> https://www.amazon.com/TeckNet-Universal-16750mAh- >>>> Output-PowerZen >>>>>>>>> /dp/B0 >>>>>>>>> 0FAU7ZB2/ref=pd_cp_107_1?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i= >>>> B00FAU7ZB2&pd_rd_ >>>>>>>>> r=0JMM >>>>>>>>> HXMXK7RYWY9K361K&pd_rd_w=712hM&pd_rd_wg=6mOCV&psc=1& >>>> refRID=0JMMHX >>>>>>>>> MXK7RY >>>>>>>>> WY9K361K >>>>>>>>> <https://www.amazon.com/TeckNet-Universal-16750mAh- >>>>>>>> Output-PowerZen/dp/B00FAU7ZB2/ref=pd_cp_107_1?_encoding= >>>>>>>> UTF8&pd_rd_i=B00FAU7ZB2&pd_rd_r=0JMMHXMXK7RYWY9K361K&pd_rd_ >>>>>>>> w=712hM&pd_rd_wg=6mOCV&psc=1&refRID=0JMMHXMXK7RYWY9K361K> >>>>>>>>> https://www.amazon.com/PowerTitan-19200mAh3-Port- >>>> Portable-Externa >>>>>>>>> l-Tech >>>>>>>>> nology/dp/B01B534D4Y/ref=sr_1_1?s=wireless&srs=5713662011 >>>> &ie=UTF8 >>>>>>>>> &qid=1 >>>>>>>>> 491729627&sr=1-1 >>>>>>>>> <https://www.amazon.com/PowerTitan-19200mAh3-Port- >>>>>>>> Portable-External-Technology/dp/B01B534D4Y/ref=sr_1_1?s= >>>>>>>> wireless&srs=5713662011&ie=UTF8&qid=1491729627&sr=1-1> >>>>>>>>> Based on recommendation from this guy: >>>>>>>>> http://raspi-ups.appspot.com/en/index.jsp He used older >> model >>>>>>>>> which is >>>>>>>>> no longer available. >>>>>>>>> I wonder how smart is the circuit in avoiding the >>>>>>>>> charge/discharge >>>>>>>>> battery cycles when the power is on - it relates to the >> battery >>>>>>>>> life. >>>>>>>>> Tomas >>>>>>>>> On Sat, 2017-04-08 at 18:57 -0700, Chuck Hast wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Apr 8, 2017 at 3:42 PM, Tom < >>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> dd nor rsync alone will not be able to do full backup of >>>>>>>>>>> running >>>>>>>>>>> computer (RPi). >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> That was what I figured, just wanted to make sure. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> The best course of action is to separate the OS from your >>>>>>>>>>> data - >>>>>>>>>>> whatever your RPi is normally writing - then backup each >>>>>>>>>>> separately. >>>>>>>>>>> * When you separate the data, you could even store it >> off >>>>>>>>>>> the RPi >>>>>>>>>>> avoiding need for local data backups on RPi altogether. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> The drive has two partitions on it /boot and /. /boot is a >>>>>>>>>> vfat, the >>>>>>>>>> rest >>>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>>> it is ext4. I supposed that I could stop the service >> (weather >>>>>>>>>> data >>>>>>>>>> capture) >>>>>>>>>> back up the files that are critical to the weather >>>>>>>>>> station.After the >>>>>>>>>> back up >>>>>>>>>> is done start the service again. Maybe store them on a jump >>>>>>>>>> drive and >>>>>>>>>> after the station service is back up and running ship them >>> off >>>>>>>>>> to the >>>>>>>>>> location >>>>>>>>>> I will keep the back ups in. I figure that I could do the >>> back >>>>>>>>>> up in >>>>>>>>>> the wee >>>>>>>>>> hours of the morning. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> * If you want to keep the data on RPi, you could back >> it >>> up >>>>>>>>>>> by >>>>>>>>>>> rsync >>>>>>>>>>> to separate media (USB) or a network storage >>>>>>>>>>> * You cannot back up the OS while you are using it - >> that >>>>>>>>>>> is why >>>>>>>>>>> this >>>>>>>>>>> is normally done on a separate computer. It is easier and >>>>>>>>>>> faster >>>>>>>>>>> than >>>>>>>>>>> booting your RPi from USB or network and then doing the >>>>>>>>>>> backup. >>>>>>>>>>> * Perhaps the OS does not need to be backed up often or >>> not >>>>>>>>>>> at >>>>>>>>>>> all as >>>>>>>>>>> you could simply create separate OS image, even on >> another >>> SD >>>>>>>>>>> card >>>>>>>>>>> attached to your Pi. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> All I really need for recovery is the WeeWx db file, WeeWx >>>>>>>>>> config >>>>>>>>>> file, >>>>>>>>>> skins >>>>>>>>>> file and the nginx configuration. I could actually keep a >>>>>>>>>> separate >>>>>>>>>> image and >>>>>>>>>> just insert the latest files and quickly swap out the bad >> SD >>>>>>>>>> card. >>>>>>>>>> That >>>>>>>>>> should >>>>>>>>>> take care of it. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I should be able to automate the OS configuration, so that >> I >>>>>>>>>> just run >>>>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>>> script >>>>>>>>>> it looks for the SD card, installs the OS makes sure that >> the >>>>>>>>>> parameters >>>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>> I set manually on installation are set correctly, probably >>> can >>>>>>>>>> automate the >>>>>>>>>> whole process. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> * Your backup target/media could be another SD card >>> connected >>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>> RPi >>>>>>>>>>> in a SD card reader, that way you could just swap the >> cards >>>>>>>>>>> .... >>>>>>>>>>> Thinking outside of a box - perhaps you need little UPS >> for >>>>>>>>>>> your Pi >>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>> avoid regular data corruption altogether. There are some >>> USB >>>>>>>>>>> charging >>>>>>>>>>> batteries which can be charged and used both at the same >>> time >>>>>>>>>>> (most >>>>>>>>>>> can >>>>>>>>>>> be either charged or used, not both). Modest battery >> could >>>>>>>>>>> keep >>>>>>>>>>> your >>>>>>>>>>> Pi running for hours. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I have been looking for a battery pack that will allow me >> to >>>>>>>>>> let it >>>>>>>>>> float >>>>>>>>>> on the >>>>>>>>>> powersupply until power goes away, then it takes over. So >> far >>>>>>>>>> all of >>>>>>>>>> them >>>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>> I have looked at will not switch between >>>>>>>>>> charge/float/discharge. I >>>>>>>>>> have seen >>>>>>>>>> a couple that plug into the pin field on the RPi, but I am >>>>>>>>>> trying to >>>>>>>>>> keep >>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>> case clean. I have built up a power supply with a battery >> on >>>>>>>>>> it, and >>>>>>>>>> a heavy >>>>>>>>>> duty USB dual port power cartridge that supplies the power >> I >>>>>>>>>> need for >>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>> RPi and the WX station console. It is kind of big, I am >>>>>>>>>> certainly >>>>>>>>>> looking >>>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>> one of the power pack batteries that does not care if it is >>>>>>>>>> being >>>>>>>>>> charged or >>>>>>>>>> not. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I hope that this is pointing you in the right direction >> to >>>>>>>>>>> your >>>>>>>>>>> particular circumstances. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Yes it confirmed most of what I was already suspecting. Now >>> if >>>>>>>>>> I can >>>>>>>>>> just >>>>>>>>>> find a nice clean battery pack that meets the above >>>>>>>>>> requirement. >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> PLUG mailing list >>>>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>>>> http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> PLUG mailing list >>>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>>> http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> PLUG mailing list >>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>> http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> >>>>> Chuck Hast -- KP4DJT -- >>>>> Glass, five thousand years of history and getting better. >>>>> The only container material that the USDA gives blanket approval on. >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> PLUG mailing list >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> PLUG mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> Chuck Hast -- KP4DJT -- >>> Glass, five thousand years of history and getting better. >>> The only container material that the USDA gives blanket approval on. >>> _______________________________________________ >>> PLUG mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> PLUG mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug >> > > _______________________________________________ PLUG mailing list [email protected] http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
