Yes, it is truly a sad solution, but where I live it is the only one. I often tell people that it is a good thing that the agriculture people who feed us do not treat us like Hughesnet treats them, we would all starve.
If I get the job I am trying for, I will be moving, Indeed may spend part of my time in Costa Rica, wife is down there dealing with family things father in law wants us to move in his place, he is now by himself. I would get fibre at his home if I do so. All depends on the job I get here. I am working on a field service job that allows me to live anywhere near a airport on this side of the planet. On Tue, Apr 11, 2017 at 7:19 PM, Thomas Groman <tgrom.autom...@nuegia.net> wrote: > oh gawd *Hughesnet* > > > On 04/11/2017 07:05 PM, Chuck Hast wrote: > > Oh, ok. Yes, I am looking at getting a WX proof modem, something that > uses > > PoE, and directional antennas, put a shack up on the ridge and use solar > or > > wind to keep it powered and run the link down to the house using some > fibre. > > > > Actually put up some sort of tower and mount the whole thing in a WX > proof > > box, put the radio and antenna up on top of the tower, and hang the box > at > > the bottom. The power and media converter will be in that box, perhaps > an- > > other box for the batteries below it. Keep the out gas out of the > equipment > > box. > > > > If I can get the AT&T offer of 250GB for $60/mo I will be very happy as > I am > > getting taken to the cleaners with Hughesnet. > > > > On Tue, Apr 11, 2017 at 5:06 PM, wes <p...@the-wes.com> wrote: > > > >> I was referring to your idea of putting an LTE gateway up on a ridge. > Just > >> thinking of water and sun protection, nothing extraordinary. > >> > >> -wes > >> > >> On Mon, Apr 10, 2017 at 8:36 AM, Chuck Hast <wch...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> > >>> Are you talking about ESD or physically protecting the device? The > remote > >>> sensors are wireless so a lightning strike would take them out but > >> probably > >>> not do much to the rest of it unless it comes through the 110v line, or > >> the > >>> EMP > >>> was too high, in that case there just is not much you can do about the > >> EMP, > >>> it is cheaper to replace the RPi and console that block for the EMP. I > >> used > >>> to > >>> live in lightning prone areas, Costa Rica and Tampa, FL. I have seen my > >>> fair > >>> share of lightning damage, one thing I learned was to run all long > >> network > >>> runs as fiber rather than Cat5/6. No issues with EMP with the fiber. > >>> > >>> The console and RPi are inside the home so they are protected. > >>> > >>> > >>> On Sun, Apr 9, 2017 at 10:58 PM, wes <p...@the-wes.com> wrote: > >>> > >>>> What do you plan to use for weather protection? > >>>> > >>>> -wes > >>>> > >>>> On Sun, Apr 9, 2017 at 9:54 PM, Chuck Hast <wch...@gmail.com> wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> Tomás > >>>>> Sorry I should have got back on and told you I found it, but the > >>> charge > >>>>> rate > >>>>> is only 1.5 amp, the other unit is 2.0 amp. The RPi doing the WeeWx > >>> stuff > >>>>> pulls data every 60 seconds, writes to the DB and then sends it out > >> to > >>>> WU, > >>>>> CWOP and Findu.com. When it does that it pulls a wee bit more current > >>>>> that usual. So I am going to give the other unit a try as I have the > >>> PSU > >>>>> for > >>>>> it. I will also power the Acurite console off of it. If this works I > >>>> have > >>>>> a whole > >>>>> boat load of places I am going to do that trick. Indeed if we do not > >>> move > >>>>> out > >>>>> of this place, I am going to put an RPi up on the ridge above the > >>> house > >>>>> with > >>>>> a AT&T LTE modem on it, AT&T has an offer of 250GB/mo @ $60/mo or 500 > >>>>> GB/mo @ $100/mo. They just came out with the offer last month, it is > >>>>> directed > >>>>> at some states back east, but people are calling and getting the > >>> offering > >>>>> every- > >>>>> where they have put in LTE. At this time I have 50GB @ $110/mo with > >>>> Hughes > >>>>> net, and they suck royally. So I can put an RPi up on the ridge and > >> run > >>>>> about > >>>>> 500ft of fibre down to the house let the RPi handle the cell modem > >> and > >>>> get > >>>>> rid of Hughesnet. Whattavampire they are. That one I will power with > >>> the > >>>>> "kludge" as it will be a much better option there. May even try some > >>>> solar > >>>>> to see how much the batteries will keep up that way. Use an RPi to > >>>> monitor > >>>>> that too. > >>>>> > >>>>> If I get the job I am angling for I will not need to worry about it, > >>> but > >>>> I > >>>>> can > >>>>> always find something for an RPi to do. > >>>>> > >>>>> On Sun, Apr 9, 2017 at 8:21 PM, Tom <tomas.kuchta.li...@gmail.com> > >>>> wrote: > >>>>>> Follow the second link, scroll down to product description about > >> half > >>>>>> way through the page, and check the Duo-Charge Section: > >>>>>> Product description > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Offer Type:19200mAH > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> TeckNet PowerTitan T2 19200mAH > >>> External > >>>>>> Battery: > >>>>>> Save time when charging! > >>>>>> > >>>>>> . > >>>>>> . > >>>>>> . > >>>>>> Duo-Charge: > >>>>>> The Duo-Charge function enables charging of the PowerTitan while it > >>>>>> recharges a connected device such as an iPhone or iPad. > >>>>>> ....... > >>>>>> Besides the battery capacity, there does not seem to be functional > >>>>>> difference between the chargers. Either of them should keep mostly > >>> idle > >>>>>> RPi running for at close to a day. I have 6500mAh USB charger > >> running > >>>>>> RPi + PWM hat + WiFi dongle + a few sensors on a robot cart for > >>> about 8 > >>>>>> -9-hours straight. The Pi lasts much longer than the other battery > >>> pack > >>>>>> feeding the motors. > >>>>>> I should have mentioned it in my original post, I thought that it > >> is > >>>>>> obvious: > >>>>>> If your RPi consumes close to or more than the charging current max > >>> 2A > >>>>>> (depending on your actual power supply) - about 10% to power the > >>>>>> charger = ~1800mA --> your battery pack will not recharge after the > >>>>>> outage. In such case you would have to come up with different UPS > >>>>>> solution. > >>>>>> Best luck, Tomas > >>>>>> On Sun, 2017-04-09 at 19:23 -0700, Chuck Hast wrote: > >>>>>>> Tomas, > >>>>>>> The second selection looks more like what I am looking for but > >> the > >>>>>>> first one > >>>>>>> will certainly work. But I do not see mention of pass through > >>>>>>> charging or > >>>>>>> charge while charging. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Went ahead and bought the first selection. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> On Sun, Apr 9, 2017 at 6:46 AM, Nat Taylor <biob...@gmail.com> > >>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>> I use something like that second battery to power my pi, it's > >>> just > >>>>>>>> a cell > >>>>>>>> phone charger, I'm not sure what running it while plugged in > >> does > >>>>>>>> to it's > >>>>>>>> life. One could put it on a timer so the power cuts, it > >> drains > >>>>>>>> the > >>>>>>>> battery for a while, then charges back up if that was > >>> advantageous > >>>>>>>> for > >>>>>>>> battery life... > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> On Sun, Apr 9, 2017 at 2:39 AM Tom < > >> tomas.kuchta.li...@gmail.com > >>>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> There are probably other USB power banks which can be charged > >>> and > >>>>>>>>> discharged together. Here are two examples: > >>>>>>>>> https://www.amazon.com/TeckNet-Universal-16750mAh- > >>>> Output-PowerZen > >>>>>>>>> /dp/B0 > >>>>>>>>> 0FAU7ZB2/ref=pd_cp_107_1?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i= > >>>> B00FAU7ZB2&pd_rd_ > >>>>>>>>> r=0JMM > >>>>>>>>> HXMXK7RYWY9K361K&pd_rd_w=712hM&pd_rd_wg=6mOCV&psc=1& > >>>> refRID=0JMMHX > >>>>>>>>> MXK7RY > >>>>>>>>> WY9K361K > >>>>>>>>> <https://www.amazon.com/TeckNet-Universal-16750mAh- > >>>>>>>> Output-PowerZen/dp/B00FAU7ZB2/ref=pd_cp_107_1?_encoding= > >>>>>>>> UTF8&pd_rd_i=B00FAU7ZB2&pd_rd_r=0JMMHXMXK7RYWY9K361K&pd_rd_ > >>>>>>>> w=712hM&pd_rd_wg=6mOCV&psc=1&refRID=0JMMHXMXK7RYWY9K361K> > >>>>>>>>> https://www.amazon.com/PowerTitan-19200mAh3-Port- > >>>> Portable-Externa > >>>>>>>>> l-Tech > >>>>>>>>> nology/dp/B01B534D4Y/ref=sr_1_1?s=wireless&srs=5713662011 > >>>> &ie=UTF8 > >>>>>>>>> &qid=1 > >>>>>>>>> 491729627&sr=1-1 > >>>>>>>>> <https://www.amazon.com/PowerTitan-19200mAh3-Port- > >>>>>>>> Portable-External-Technology/dp/B01B534D4Y/ref=sr_1_1?s= > >>>>>>>> wireless&srs=5713662011&ie=UTF8&qid=1491729627&sr=1-1> > >>>>>>>>> Based on recommendation from this guy: > >>>>>>>>> http://raspi-ups.appspot.com/en/index.jsp He used older > >> model > >>>>>>>>> which is > >>>>>>>>> no longer available. > >>>>>>>>> I wonder how smart is the circuit in avoiding the > >>>>>>>>> charge/discharge > >>>>>>>>> battery cycles when the power is on - it relates to the > >> battery > >>>>>>>>> life. > >>>>>>>>> Tomas > >>>>>>>>> On Sat, 2017-04-08 at 18:57 -0700, Chuck Hast wrote: > >>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Apr 8, 2017 at 3:42 PM, Tom < > >>>>>>>>>> tomas.kuchta.li...@gmail.com> > >>>>>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> dd nor rsync alone will not be able to do full backup of > >>>>>>>>>>> running > >>>>>>>>>>> computer (RPi). > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> That was what I figured, just wanted to make sure. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> The best course of action is to separate the OS from your > >>>>>>>>>>> data - > >>>>>>>>>>> whatever your RPi is normally writing - then backup each > >>>>>>>>>>> separately. > >>>>>>>>>>> * When you separate the data, you could even store it > >> off > >>>>>>>>>>> the RPi > >>>>>>>>>>> avoiding need for local data backups on RPi altogether. > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> The drive has two partitions on it /boot and /. /boot is a > >>>>>>>>>> vfat, the > >>>>>>>>>> rest > >>>>>>>>>> of > >>>>>>>>>> it is ext4. I supposed that I could stop the service > >> (weather > >>>>>>>>>> data > >>>>>>>>>> capture) > >>>>>>>>>> back up the files that are critical to the weather > >>>>>>>>>> station.After the > >>>>>>>>>> back up > >>>>>>>>>> is done start the service again. Maybe store them on a jump > >>>>>>>>>> drive and > >>>>>>>>>> after the station service is back up and running ship them > >>> off > >>>>>>>>>> to the > >>>>>>>>>> location > >>>>>>>>>> I will keep the back ups in. I figure that I could do the > >>> back > >>>>>>>>>> up in > >>>>>>>>>> the wee > >>>>>>>>>> hours of the morning. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> * If you want to keep the data on RPi, you could back > >> it > >>> up > >>>>>>>>>>> by > >>>>>>>>>>> rsync > >>>>>>>>>>> to separate media (USB) or a network storage > >>>>>>>>>>> * You cannot back up the OS while you are using it - > >> that > >>>>>>>>>>> is why > >>>>>>>>>>> this > >>>>>>>>>>> is normally done on a separate computer. It is easier and > >>>>>>>>>>> faster > >>>>>>>>>>> than > >>>>>>>>>>> booting your RPi from USB or network and then doing the > >>>>>>>>>>> backup. > >>>>>>>>>>> * Perhaps the OS does not need to be backed up often or > >>> not > >>>>>>>>>>> at > >>>>>>>>>>> all as > >>>>>>>>>>> you could simply create separate OS image, even on > >> another > >>> SD > >>>>>>>>>>> card > >>>>>>>>>>> attached to your Pi. > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> All I really need for recovery is the WeeWx db file, WeeWx > >>>>>>>>>> config > >>>>>>>>>> file, > >>>>>>>>>> skins > >>>>>>>>>> file and the nginx configuration. I could actually keep a > >>>>>>>>>> separate > >>>>>>>>>> image and > >>>>>>>>>> just insert the latest files and quickly swap out the bad > >> SD > >>>>>>>>>> card. > >>>>>>>>>> That > >>>>>>>>>> should > >>>>>>>>>> take care of it. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> I should be able to automate the OS configuration, so that > >> I > >>>>>>>>>> just run > >>>>>>>>>> a > >>>>>>>>>> script > >>>>>>>>>> it looks for the SD card, installs the OS makes sure that > >> the > >>>>>>>>>> parameters > >>>>>>>>>> that > >>>>>>>>>> I set manually on installation are set correctly, probably > >>> can > >>>>>>>>>> automate the > >>>>>>>>>> whole process. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> * Your backup target/media could be another SD card > >>> connected > >>>>>>>>>> to > >>>>>>>>>> RPi > >>>>>>>>>>> in a SD card reader, that way you could just swap the > >> cards > >>>>>>>>>>> .... > >>>>>>>>>>> Thinking outside of a box - perhaps you need little UPS > >> for > >>>>>>>>>>> your Pi > >>>>>>>>>>> to > >>>>>>>>>>> avoid regular data corruption altogether. There are some > >>> USB > >>>>>>>>>>> charging > >>>>>>>>>>> batteries which can be charged and used both at the same > >>> time > >>>>>>>>>>> (most > >>>>>>>>>>> can > >>>>>>>>>>> be either charged or used, not both). Modest battery > >> could > >>>>>>>>>>> keep > >>>>>>>>>>> your > >>>>>>>>>>> Pi running for hours. > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> I have been looking for a battery pack that will allow me > >> to > >>>>>>>>>> let it > >>>>>>>>>> float > >>>>>>>>>> on the > >>>>>>>>>> powersupply until power goes away, then it takes over. So > >> far > >>>>>>>>>> all of > >>>>>>>>>> them > >>>>>>>>>> that > >>>>>>>>>> I have looked at will not switch between > >>>>>>>>>> charge/float/discharge. I > >>>>>>>>>> have seen > >>>>>>>>>> a couple that plug into the pin field on the RPi, but I am > >>>>>>>>>> trying to > >>>>>>>>>> keep > >>>>>>>>>> the > >>>>>>>>>> case clean. I have built up a power supply with a battery > >> on > >>>>>>>>>> it, and > >>>>>>>>>> a heavy > >>>>>>>>>> duty USB dual port power cartridge that supplies the power > >> I > >>>>>>>>>> need for > >>>>>>>>>> the > >>>>>>>>>> RPi and the WX station console. It is kind of big, I am > >>>>>>>>>> certainly > >>>>>>>>>> looking > >>>>>>>>>> for > >>>>>>>>>> one of the power pack batteries that does not care if it is > >>>>>>>>>> being > >>>>>>>>>> charged or > >>>>>>>>>> not. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> I hope that this is pointing you in the right direction > >> to > >>>>>>>>>>> your > >>>>>>>>>>> particular circumstances. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Yes it confirmed most of what I was already suspecting. Now > >>> if > >>>>>>>>>> I can > >>>>>>>>>> just > >>>>>>>>>> find a nice clean battery pack that meets the above > >>>>>>>>>> requirement. > >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>>>>> PLUG mailing list > >>>>>>>>> PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org > >>>>>>>>> http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>>>> PLUG mailing list > >>>>>>>> PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org > >>>>>>>> http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>> PLUG mailing list > >>>>>> PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org > >>>>>> http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > >>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> -- > >>>>> > >>>>> Chuck Hast -- KP4DJT -- > >>>>> Glass, five thousand years of history and getting better. > >>>>> The only container material that the USDA gives blanket approval on. > >>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>> PLUG mailing list > >>>>> PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org > >>>>> http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > >>>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> PLUG mailing list > >>>> PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org > >>>> http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >>> -- > >>> > >>> Chuck Hast -- KP4DJT -- > >>> Glass, five thousand years of history and getting better. > >>> The only container material that the USDA gives blanket approval on. > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> PLUG mailing list > >>> PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org > >>> http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > >>> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> PLUG mailing list > >> PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org > >> http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > >> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > -- Chuck Hast -- KP4DJT -- Glass, five thousand years of history and getting better. 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