to keep this message on topic: are there any moves by high schools to
start teaching linux or an *nix for that matter to students. maybe a
little perl here and a systems and networking for the better few?? my
high school offered to have these before. i think they tought perl for a
while but it was eventually removed because of the lack of teachers.
>
> some people still have lives. you can't expect students to be even
> near the level of Linus when you do a lot of other stuff as well.
>
very true. besides, there are some people who take pride in coding some
cool wonderful application and there are some who would rather play games,
billards or drink and reach the zend of drunken stupor! to each his own.
beside filipinos like us tend to move towards the "artsy" side of things.
mas-right brained tayo! even the best of our techies are most probably
more right brained that your typical caucasian.
look at research culture alone. the philippines has one of the LEAST
number of publication to any respected international refereed journal in
south-east asia. most of them come from our marine-life friends in UPLB.
about the profs being proficient, i do not think that i an absolute
necessity. a great student will always surpass his prof. what is
more important is not a knowledgable prof but a prof that can build
interest. one that can fuel the fire of pursuit of intellectual knowledge.
besides, in the philippines, most people (especially profs and teachers)
snob pure research. since third world country tayo, people tend to look
for practical application for research. if i decided to do research on
optimal an queuing algorithm and my friend wants to do a ebook kinda
thing. the ebook may most probably get the funding.
maybe i am wrong with these things. however, these are my current
observations. i would like to believe that our culture is just not a
culture that is research oriented. must more will people want to create a
new OS. when linus started a lot of people were skeptic about the project
and thought it would not work.
disclaimer: all the facts mentioned above are my own personal opinion and
are not representative of any other person or group.
>
> On Wed, 18 Oct 2000, Carlo Sogono wrote:
>
> > I have a few questions that has been in my mind for quite some time. Linus
> > Torvalds created Linux when he was still in college. I wonder if any student
> > of any reputable school here has reached that level of proficiency in
> > programming. Do local schools even provide the environment for the students
> > to learn such topics. And...are the profs themselves that proficient in
> > programming?
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2000 12:29 PM
> > Subject: Re: Re: [plug] [WAY OT] What Computer skills should a
> > highschoolgraduatehave?
> >
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Wed, 18 Oct 2000, Victor Michael D. Blancas wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Wed, 18 Oct 2000, Jolly Roger wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Heh. Having interviewed many CS grads (from reputable schools!) that
> > seem to have gone 4 years without any programming experience either
> > (couldn't explain recursion, big-O notation, or debug a 20-line C function),
> > I don't think it makes a difference.
> > > > >
> > > > like what reputable schools?
> > >
> > > >From Ateneo (sorry Doc. Mana), The recent change to use Java as the
> > > preferred programming language for the CS curriculum is a big headache.
> > > The new CS graduates don't know what's happening behind the compiler/
> > > interpreter. I am even surprised that many have not even heard of
> > > Donald Knuth during my interviews.
> > >
> > > But there is really no question with regards to the aptitude and
> > > trainability of the Graduates of the "reputable schools". But are they
> > > teaching the "Science" in Computer Science these days?
> > >
well think of the ateneo as a martial arts training school. the school
does not teach the student the forms but teaches them zen. hehehe.
ambo is right. the change confused a lot of students. but... i think the
ateneo must stop focusing on teaching a programming language per se but
must start teaching programming. (period)
something like CS21-intro to programming will contain language dependent
and independent parts. i still believe that if you master one language you
could mastered all with a little reading.
> > >
> > >
> > > > > Anyone else have interviews like this, or am I just lucky?
> > > > >
> > > > i'd have to agree, most cs students/graduates from "reputable schools"
> > > > tend to justify that they aren't good in debugging, or programming in a
> > > > certain language because they weren't taught that programming language
> > in
> > > > their school. schools nowadays don't focus on what's the important
> > > > foundations of computer science which i believe is math. some schools
> > just
> > > > teach the new MS Visual languages.
> > > > > Given a choice, I'd hire an math or engineering course grad over a
> > Computer Pseudo-science grad anyday.
> > > > >
> > > > i think comsci graduates from the really "reputable schools" are good.
> > > > >
> > > >
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