"Ian C. Sison" wrote:
> 
> In case you didn't notice, the strength of PLUG (and most LUGs for that
> matter) is being a focus and discussion group centering around the
> operating system we have grown to love over the years.  The objective is
> not to be a well funded well connected portal, but to provide a pool of
> expertise from _different_ parts of the country which can be tapped for
> issues and problems regarding Linux.

Agreed, but the PLUG website is (or should be) an indication of the
level of Linux activity and support in the country. A newbie user or
organization should be able to look at it, see what projects we've
achieved and what we're working on, judge the level and availability of
in-country expertise, and feel confident that they have a local Linux
support structure they can rely on.

It may be a facade, but it's the first thing outsiders will see. Just
like Bluepoint from not too long ago.

> > > 3. and lot of you oldbies are still here, thanks to you! :)
> >
> > Ahh, would be nice to get my hands on an archive of PLUG posts. I could
> > do a tally of posters from years past to see who's still around and whom
> > we've lost.
> 
> And?  What would that accomplish?

Possibly nothing. Possibly it would highlight the fact that we're losing
valuable expertise and that PLUG needs to take a more active role in
advocacy and training our local users via seminars, SIGs and whatnot.

In any case it would be nice to have that archive.

> > Just a jaded old fart's opinion.
> Jaded and cynical is more precise.  What's the reason for all this
> cynicism?  

Probably just my knee-jerk reaction to Eric Rosel's unbridled optimism.

> We're doing fine as i can see it, and we're
> 
>        Helping-a-lot-of-people TM
> 
> Activley pushing Linux and providing training and consultancy is the role
> of a commercial vendor, not a LUG.

Haven't Linux education and advocacy always been key objectives for
PLUG? That's certainly what the webpage
(http://plug.linux.org.ph/plug/about.php3) claims and it sounds sounds
very much like what we've done in the past. Running an active and
helpful support list goes hand-in-hand with advocacy and education. You
can't have one without the other. Having Linux gurus galore on a list
does no good if there are no wannabies to take over once the oldbies
retire or direct their energies elsewhere. 

Brian
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