On Fri, 27 Apr 2001, Brian Baquiran wrote:
> "Ian C. Sison" wrote:
> >
> > In case you didn't notice, the strength of PLUG (and most LUGs for that
> > matter) is being a focus and discussion group centering around the
> > operating system we have grown to love over the years. The objective is
> > not to be a well funded well connected portal, but to provide a pool of
> > expertise from _different_ parts of the country which can be tapped for
> > issues and problems regarding Linux.
>
> Agreed, but the PLUG website is (or should be) an indication of the
> level of Linux activity and support in the country. A newbie user or
> organization should be able to look at it, see what projects we've
> achieved and what we're working on, judge the level and availability of
> in-country expertise, and feel confident that they have a local Linux
> support structure they can rely on.
In that aspect we agree. And that's why we're trying to organize the
webteam so that we can have a roadmap as to plans and objectives. You are
always welcome to join in of course. Valuable insights like that above
will do a great help to the team.
> It may be a facade, but it's the first thing outsiders will see. Just
> like Bluepoint from not too long ago.
In that particular case, the truth did come out, the farce that was their
"linux vision" (hosted on an NT, IIS box), and the where the true experts
really are.
>
> > > > 3. and lot of you oldbies are still here, thanks to you! :)
> > >
> > > Ahh, would be nice to get my hands on an archive of PLUG posts. I could
> > > do a tally of posters from years past to see who's still around and whom
> > > we've lost.
> >
> > And? What would that accomplish?
>
> Possibly nothing. Possibly it would highlight the fact that we're losing
> valuable expertise and that PLUG needs to take a more active role in
> advocacy and training our local users via seminars, SIGs and whatnot.
This i believe is the role of the commercial Linux companies, and not of a
volunteer group with limited resources.
>
> In any case it would be nice to have that archive.
>
Agreed.
> > > Just a jaded old fart's opinion.
> > Jaded and cynical is more precise. What's the reason for all this
> > cynicism?
>
> Probably just my knee-jerk reaction to Eric Rosel's unbridled optimism.
>
Point taken.
> > We're doing fine as i can see it, and we're
> >
> > Helping-a-lot-of-people TM
> >
> > Activley pushing Linux and providing training and consultancy is the role
> > of a commercial vendor, not a LUG.
>
> Haven't Linux education and advocacy always been key objectives for
> PLUG? That's certainly what the webpage
> (http://plug.linux.org.ph/plug/about.php3) claims and it sounds sounds
> very much like what we've done in the past. Running an active and
> helpful support list goes hand-in-hand with advocacy and education. You
> can't have one without the other. Having Linux gurus galore on a list
> does no good if there are no wannabies to take over once the oldbies
> retire or direct their energies elsewhere.
>
Agreed. But PLUG is a group of techies and newbies, trying to help each
other. We are not coordinators, marketing consultants, or resource
management gurus. We should accept that. People in commercial Linux
ventures have these types and we should leave it up to them to organize
something re: the points you discussed. PLUG can supply the technical
expertise in any activity. A good example of this is the Linux trade
shows 99 and 2k, sponsored by Iphil and Q-Linux. Notice most of those
helping around are prominent names in the PLUG list.
_
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