dear plug,
i got this from an anonymous source. i was hesitant to forward it to the list,
but you guys really ought to hear how this engels talks behind our backs.
... and think of ways to peace.
-eric
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From: "Engels Antonio" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2001 1:01 PM
Subject: Re: [blue] I just smiled!
> > They said that we are a good trainning school BUT we are using
> Microsoft IIS
> > cuase when they nslookup on us they said that where using MSIIS.
> > They said that if we are Linux guys we must not use Microsoft servers
> > or any Microsoft this is one thing their always bugging on us that we
> must use
> > linux always and don't use Microsoft.if we are a trainning school in
> linux.
> > Microsoft is very easy to hack they said.
>
> Hi Arnold,
>
> Thanks for sharing this with us. I thought that the issue (or should I
> say, non-issue) has been buried long ago - kalahating taon na ito
> eh...panis na, so to speak. Anyway, allow me to once and for all clarify
> things:
>
> 1. I already addressed this issue in an article I posted at
>
> http://www.bluepoint.com.ph/?/articles/2001/02/10.html last February. I
> actually got flamed a great deal because of this article because i) I
> challenged the competence (network security-wise) of the
> Pittsburgh-trained S.u.S.E. instructor who started the issue and ii)
> because a lot of PLUG members, especially Dennis Monsod (PLUG member
> since 1993 and a software engineer in Langley, Virginia) would not hear
> of a Linux advocate like Bluepoint using any non-Linux software. In
> fact, he even called Bluepoint a "Linux advocate wannabe" in a post to
> the PLUG mailing list! Such purist whinning from a person who sent his
> flames via MS Outlook, what a complete hypocrite! Anyway, I don't think
> too highly of him especially since he addresses me as Mr. Clean in his
> e-mails when my article clearly stated that Mr. Clean is Sen. Jovito
> Salonga.
>
> 2. I am *not* a purist, and so is Bluepoint as an organization. we
> believe that Linux is a means to an end (bringing computing to the
> masses, bridging the digital divide, etc.), not an end in itself. Kung
> bayad na ang OS/2, AIX, at Windows namin, shold I throw them out the
> window (oops, no pun intended there)? For crying out loud, I was both a
> Microsoft Certified System Engineer and IBM OS/2 Engineer whilst I was
> into Linux!
>
> 3. Bluepoint's website is *not* running on IIS! Allow me to elucidate:
>
> Bluepoint's website is running on (believe it or not) Buhawi 0.7.14
> gamma. It has been so since I decided to take Buhawi off the shelf and
> continue developing it for Lalainya and for the machines that we plan to
> donate to the provinces.
>
> Peter Rocca, a member of Bluepoint who lives in Canada, offered to host
> our website when he found out that i) we were connected to the Internet
> via Destiny (which, as most of you know is not a fast connection) and
> ii) we were having frequent power outgages at the Kilosbayan House where
> our servers are located. Oh, and iii) he's doing his share as one of the
> first members of Bluepoint. Peter's server is powered by Red Hat and
> Apache.
>
> Xandei Tena, former Toyota Alabang BBS SysOp (remember his board Rene?)
> and owner of the US-based webhosting company Webmillenium, also hosted
> the site because he wanted to support our cause plus, he was a good
> friend of Eddie Salonga and myself. Xandei's webserver is IIS.
>
> There are other individuals who offered to mirror Bluepoint (including
> Netcon Interactive in Germany running under NT and Solaris and Joey
> Gaddi of Philworld Online Bulacan running Linux) and we will not turn
> them down simply because of their OS.
>
> Now, Bluepoint's detractors (led by Ian Sison, an *expensive* Linux
> consultant who tried to pirate me from Bluepoint for PHP 150,000.00/mo
> because he could *not* implement a project that he claimed he could)
> used Netcraft to check out our site (Netcraft lang? Why not OS
> fingerprinting via nmap or some other tool?) and found out that it was
> running on IIS simply because Netcraft was roughly two hops away from
> Xandei's server. Ian did not waste time in broadcasting the results to
> the entire PLUG list. After that, he e-mailed me and asked: "..totoo
> bang IIS ang server ninyo?" Wow, sabi nga ni Mari, binanatan ka muna
> bago ka tinanong! Ibang klase din no? He even e-mailed to tell me that
> "...you cannot claim such Linux expertise since you were not even a part
> of the group that we formed in 1993." He was saying that I can never
> possibly develop Buhawi because I was not a member of PLUG. DUH! So
> who's the jerk?
>
> 4. Dennis Monsod admonished me thru an e-mail by saying "..practice what
> you preach!" Well I am! I've been into Linux since 1991 and am still at
> it today. I have never claimed expertise because, as I told you during
> our class, Linux is such a huge discipline and I still have so much to
> learn. Nor do I claim titles such as the first Linux user (unlike Eric
> Pareja who started using Linux in 1992 and claims that he's the first
> Filipino Linux user) or that Buhawi is the first Filipino Linux distro
> (Unlike Ateneo's Doc Manalastas who claims that ADMULinux is the first
> Linux distro, having been created in 1994 even though Buhawi actually
> boted in 1993). Yabang no? But honestly, I couldn't care less about
> these accolades. It doesn't help the Philippines one bit. As Mari Kaimo
> told one PLUG member: "If the server was indeed Windows, SO BLOODY
> WHAT?"
>
> 5. PLUG members go preach here and yonder about how insecure IIS is.
> Have they ever cracked one? Talk is cheap :-)
>
> 6. I once told a PLUG officer that he better discipline his members so
> that I won't have to. Mari even told a PLUG member that it's "no longer
> open season for Bluepoint the Enemy." Why? Because my students (who are
> also my friends) get taken potshots at just like what happened to you
> and Edris Ampu-an of IBM-ACE. I have kept quiet for so long because I
> did not want to dignify their flames by responding. However, when they
> start hitting on my students, I'm going to hit back - hard. You can
> count on that.
>
> 7. It's good that the guys from Q-Linux acknowledged that you came from
> a good school. Dapat lang since they copy most everything we do. Ooops,
> masyadong magandang pakinggan ang salitang copy :-)
>
> My advice: pukpok lang ng pukpok. Who died and made PLUG (and Q-Linux)
> God? Wala di ba? They are not my higher powers, neither should they be
> yours.
>
> Regards,
>
> Engels
>
> --
> Engels Antonio
> Bluepoint Institute of Higher Technology Foundation
> http://www.bluepoint.com.ph/buhawi/
>
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> I don't fear Limbo -- I administer Aurora.
> I don't fear Purgatory -- I administer AIX.
> And I don't fear Hell -- I administer Linux.
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