Hello Ian,
This is an interesting subject:
Subject: Gee, How nice it is to learn stuff said behind your back
Wasn't that what you guys did to me a few months back? If Orly Andico didn't
forward me a copy of the "righteous indignations" coming from your group, I
wouldn't have known about all the back-stabbing going on.
> Since you have made your thoughts so perfectly clear just how much you
> understood what i emailed you a while back let me try to explain _again_
> what my points were, and my comments to your apparently challenged
> perception of events.
It's nice of you to set the mood for this conversation. Seems like we're
taking off on the premise that I am cognitively and perceptually challenged
and that you are Ian Sison, the supreme. I wonder if we can get anywhere
with this kind of setup?
> because he could *not* implement a project that he claimed he could)
> For the record, i DID NOT say i could not, i said i CHOSE NOT to implement
> such a big project, because i was not a full time employee of DotPH/EMC.
> You were first invited to be a full time employee/CTO and that was the
> basis and context of the interview i conducted of you.
There are two ways by which I can address this point:
1. I can take your statement at face value, be a doormat, apologize, and try
to iron things out.
2. I can maintain my statement because you *really* told me that you
couldn't.
As much as I would like to clear the air before things get any worse, you
really did tell me that you could not, and that you needed help. I'm sorry
but you really did.
The board was outraged by the letter you sent me during the heat of the
distro issue but they voted that I do the doormat act and not issue any
replies, hoping that this will prevent further flames between us. Look where
it got me. I'm sorry Ian, I can't take the easy way out this time :-(
> Now, Bluepoint's detractors (led by Ian Sison, an *expensive* Linux
> I am not an expensive consultant, and i charge from pro-bono and
> upwards depending on the requirements of a particular customer. In short,
> i scale my fees depending on the requirements of the client.
Honestly, I would like to believe that Ian because you are a member of the
Linux and Open Source communities. It's just that it's your word against one
of our students who did business with you. My statement was based on the
information provided by our student, and you know that I stand by my
students. If they're wrong, I'm wrong. My apologies if this is the case.
> Given your back-stabbing attitude i am relieved that they
> were not successful. They don't need this kind of character in their
ranks.
Mud-slinging begets the same, a wise man once told me that. You preen and
posture as though I am the only guilty party here. I am not going to talk
about dot.pH because I respect Mylene and the others. However, I do not
appreciate your righteous finger-pointing one bit.
Of all the PLUG members, you were the one I expected most not to condemn me
and the institution I represented. Why? Because you knew me and my
capabilities more than the other PLUG members did. Guess I didn't know you
that well, in a roundabout way :-(
> that during the time of your fantastic press release, your web pages were
> hosted on a windows IIS server.
In my response to your last e-mail (which the board told me not to send
anymore) I tried to explain to you that your assumptions were wrong - we did
not issue any press release and we did not have any PR staff, let alone an
over-eager one. It was all a misunderstanding. The server issue is already
stale and I'm very tired of addressing it over and over again. Believe what
you will, there's nothing I can do to change it anyway. I am currently
writing this message using MS Outlook. Should I expect more flames because
of this?
> bang IIS ang server ninyo?" Wow, sabi nga ni Mari, binanatan ka muna
> bago ka tinanong! Ibang klase din no? He even e-mailed to tell me that
> I don't have to ask. The technical data stands out for itself.
If you say so. Point is, some members of your group judged and condemned us
before getting our side of the story. That's what I was trying to point out.
> You will see that the context of the email was in reaction to your "press
> release" to which you later publicly retracted to be the result of being
> mis-quoted. If you truly felt you were misquoted, then this kind of
> backstabbing must also be someones idea of a joke?
Thanks for the resend. I also have a copy of that message in my MUA which I
continuously reflect on and try to learn from. Yes, believe it or not, we
were truly mis-quoted. No, this is not someone's idea of a joke. This is an
*outburst* from someone who has had enough. Bugbog sarado na ako at ang
Bluepoint Ian...should I just smile? Ikaw, when you're down on the floor and
they keep on kicking, would you?
> Again, i would like to STRESS that one does not go around claiming
> expertise in a vaccum. Most especially in a community effort that
> comprises linux.
> Do that and you will definitely get into trouble. Notice my last
> paragraph? It was an invitation to join the group, to participate in our
> projects, and help those in need. Linux was built by a community, after
> all. Not by some company working in a vaccum.
> If there is a _local_ group that can recognise your efforts in creating
> the first _local_ distribution, then PLUG is most definitely it. If you
> or your company does not want to submit to peer review (which is something
> that is the foundation of linux development), then that is your
> prerogative. Just don't go around flaunting your "expertise" because like
> it or not, you will get criticized, both privately and publicly.
Again, the issue of firsts rears it's ugly head. No, I don't care if our
distro was first or not and we never claimed it as such in the first place.
Again, the issue was triggered by an honest mistake, not an over-eager press
release like what you would like to believe.
No, we do not go around claiming expertise. If that's your perception, then
I respect it. Yes, I agree that PLUG is not a clique group...Eric Pareja and
William Yu have already proven that it isn't. However, coming on with "I
think you're full of crap but hey, would you like to join us?" is not
exactly an acceptable invitation for us. Now you conveniently label
Bluepoint as a company working in a vaccum. Do you understand what I'm
trying to say? We are "outsiders" because you make us feel like so and treat
us as such. We have signified our intention to work with you, yet some of
you continue to take potshots at us. How then, do you expect us to be a part
of your group?
> In closing, i would like to say that if you have "issues" with PLUG, be
> man enough to post them and publicly defend your point of view. People
> will respect you more, and acknowledge you for your ideas and all the work
> you have done. It's a lot more professional than keeping it all bottled
> in and then attacking us from behind our backs.
Agree. I wouldn't have had it any other way. I really wanted to post our
side of the story but I was not allowed to. How else could we not keep it
bottled in? The post that rekindled this issue was a product of re-opened
wounds and the ghost of dead issues. When William Yu posted the final
clarification e-mail (RE: Clearing the Air) on the PLUG mailing list, we
believed that that was the end of it. Unfortunately, some PLUG members
thought otherwise.
Honestly, I was beaten badly and bent out of shape by the flames that came
my way before then but I kept quiet because those were *personal* attacks
and insults. But to hear my student's voice shaking on the phone as he
recounted how Bluepoint was discredited in his face just broke all my
restraints. If my post rubbed you, or any member of PLUG, the wrong way, my
apologies.
I'm tired Ian. I can't keep parrying incoming "love letters" any longer. I
have copy furnished the PLUG and BLUE mailing lists with this reply with the
hope of clearing things once and for all.
Regards,
Engels
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Engels Antonio
Bluepoint Institute of Higher Technology Foundation
http://www.bluepoint.com.ph/buhawi/
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