On Saturday 22 December 2001 15:22, Juan Miguel Cacho wrote:
> En Sat, Dec 22, 2001 at 12:00:07PM +0800, Federico Sevilla III
> escribio: #_
> #_ Eric Pareja and I, for example, noticed a huge learning curve for
> a #_ lot of upperclass CS majors when they had to shift from doing
> RAD #_ with Microsoft's wizardry to using PostgreSQL/MySQL + PHP.
> They #_ freaked out when they saw they had to code. With the point
> and click #_ training, one learns to think in points and clicks. ;>
>
> And how did they debug; by pointing and clicking too? Did they even
> know how to debug?
i've had to teach CS graduates how to debug. some of them actually
had no concept of breakpoints, or that they could look at variables.
this might not be so much the fault of the GUIs they've used though
(although i'll willingly blame that just for the heck of it). their programming
projects in school weren't large enough to make debugging an issue.
if they could single step through their code to see where it was going,
and then see what it was doing onscreen, that was often good enough
for them.
but i'm in Cagayan de Oro. development skills (analysis, design,
programming, debugging, maybe even maintenance) taught in metro
manila universities are probably better than here. i've not had any
problem teaching my people who to work in non-GUI mode though.
it takes a while, but we're all now GUI+non-GUI. actually, they taught
me GUI :). or at any rate, they taught me VB-RAD style (i could never
stay focused enough on RAD-style to get anything done in it until a
real project came along).
hehe, on the other hand, ian may remember an argument that came
up and lasted for weeks when i insisted on using Borland C++ and
the whole IDE while the rest of the team was using makefiles and
command line tools :). as i recall, i eventually came over to their
side and no one was left developing in BC++ :).
tiger
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