On Mon, 5 Jul 2004, Andy Sy wrote: .. > ... I'm still not convinced by .NET, I have a hunch most of these > projects will end up being wasted money. .NET Framework is barely > deployed on client machines and Microsoft will be coming up with > Longhorn's WinFX in a couple of years. I see a lot of painful > relearning for these early adopters...
hi Andy, I'm pretty much convinced not by .NET, but by Web Services in general. It's really neat! I mean, c'mon, who wouldn't love a *text-based* universally-compatible RPC? The thing which makes .NET "fun" is that it makes WS easy. I haven't done any major WS work on .NET (SOAP::Lite spoken here..) but it's far easier than doing WS in Perl or Java. > See Joel Spolsky's "How Microsoft Lost the API War": > > http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/APIWar.html Yup, I read that.. and I agree with the guy. I don't see M$ maintaining their monopoly choke-hold, but in any mature market, the dominant player controls 40% - 50% of the market, and everybody else shares the remaining part. Right now M$ is at 90% and I would really like/expect that to change. > Microsoft is as much a religion for some people as Linux is... > and these are the brainwashed (I know it's brainwashing because > after visiting MSDN and viewing their evangelising articles > and videos, I can feel the effect on me) Hahaha. Damn right there. I tend not to read them MSDN screeds too much. You can see naman where they're evangelizing and where they're not. I think it's a generic behavior of closed-source vendors to push their solution as The One True Way (TM) and everyone else is obsolete. .. > XAML, ADO.NET, Web Services, I say phooey for now... Well personally WS are really interesting. You can isolate the business logic inside a "black box" and expose it as a WS. Then on the client side, instead of having business logic embedded inside HTML (e.g. ColdFusion, PHP, ASP, Perl..) you have very simple code (may still be PHP, ASP, Perl..) but it just makes SOAP calls to the business logic functions. Easy to port to new architectures (e.g. kSOAP is a very small SOAP client that runs on J2ME -- so if you have a J2ME phone that can do HTTP natively, that's automagically a SOAP client). .. > Are there many local users of Web Services? I'm not very hot on the > whole idea of SOAP/Web Services... do they really offer a strategic > advantage or is it just that they're being heavily hyped? It's partly hype of course. And M$ would love to evangelize some more. But we're actually doing some non-trivial, business-related stuff as WS. Wala lang, getting to know the technology. We didn't HAVE to do it the WS way, though. But it's interesting. And annoying when you see all the interoperability issues. But nothing you can't work around. There's even an MSDN tutorial on getting .NET and SOAP::Lite to act friendly. :) > > also, if you would bother learning more about Microsoft, you would see > > that they have a solution to EVERYTHING. > > Orly, now you're /scaring/ me... have you turned over that completely to > the Dark Side? :-D Of course not. :P Note I said "they have a solution to EVERYTHING." Not necessarily the BEST solution. :D --- Orlando Andico <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Mosaic Communications, Inc. -- Philippine Linux Users' Group (PLUG) Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] (#PLUG @ irc.free.net.ph) Official Website: http://plug.linux.org.ph Searchable Archives: http://marc.free.net.ph . To leave, go to http://lists.q-linux.com/mailman/listinfo/plug . Are you a Linux newbie? To join the newbie list, go to http://lists.q-linux.com/mailman/listinfo/ph-linux-newbie
