Tomas,
I like your essay--it covers a lot of the factors.
Quote;
* mandating open access for customers and service suppliers
* mandating non discriminatory and transparent pricing - this alone
could improve many bad things - imagine the same price for everyone
with the same service and charged as published
* ban on service bundling other than - sum of available individual
parts
End Quote.
Can these be done without any digging? These items cover many of the
complaints I have about the presently available services.
-Denis
On Sun, Feb 3, 2019 at 6:20 PM Tomas K <[email protected]> wrote:
> There has been many replies - I've been diligently removing them
> because they were all hopeless and/or desperate, despite finding some
> truth in all them.
>
> As you can see, I could not let this go - it is symptomatic to how the
> society organizes and clusters into incoherent/clan based groups with
> diverse, but local incentive structure. Naturally, this is trivial to
> exploit not only in telecommunications, but also in general - economy,
> labor markets and politics.
>
> In my opinion, PDX is unlikely to build common data distribution
> infrastructure, because:
> * It is relatively cheap and easy to wire up metropolitan area with
> good return on investment. So, the market encumbents can effectively
> respond to protect their interest.
> * decent and fair data distribution networks are low margin, low tech
> race to the bottom - this does not attract competing investment -
> unless you remove a lot of friction from the market place.
> * Market place friction reduction needed:
> * dividing distribution and service markets - (networks from ISP,
> power cables from transmission and generation, etc.)
> * mandating inter-connectivity
> * mandating open access for customers and service suppliers
> * mandating non discriminatory and transparent pricing - this alone
> could improve many bad things - imagine the same price for everyone
> with the same service and charged as published
> * ban on service bundling other than - sum of available individual
> parts
> * local PDX government have strong incentives favoring status quo:
> * the less you stand out - the higher the chance to be elected
> * any change invites controversy - which sadly is poison chance to
> re-election
> * this is multi term project for more than just one person
> * funding is no problem as there is good ROI
> * any local improvement is likely to further stress housing market
> * in general decline and local price inflation works for local
> government - less work, more taxes, hard to be held responsible
> * Small places like Sandy and Roseburg are successful because:
> * "easy to wire up metropolitan are with quick return on
> investment" does not apply
> * they have no other choice than community effort
> * they can minimize the planning friction
> * they often have access to rural infrastructure funding outside
> the local encumbent political influence
> * lack of other opportunities and can do today approach
>
> So, the only way this can be done in PDX would be through:
> a) local government measures easily labeled and quashed as
> "socialist" or unfair to the encumbents.
> b) By the community, without formal local government help - willing
> to put 10-20 year of hard labor to it.
>
> Scale:
> PDX metro is roughly 40x25km on 80m grid = 12,500km fiber +
> trenches/poleAttachments + 10k switches/routers + 60k residence
> attachments. This is pretty small at today's scales - still, wiring up
> 1000 miles + 6k residences per year, every year is not DIY project.
>
> I, like many others, would love decent and fair data infrastructure,
> but for the reasons above - I doubt that there is group of 30-50 people
> with unlimited perseverance, wisdom, patience and the right skills
> willing to come together and spend life doing this for others despite
> all the odds.
>
> Linux + free software, on the other hand is land of free an plentiful
> opportunities, even in Roseburg <-- while we wait eternity for decent
> government for the people. :-)
>
> -T
>
> On Sat, 2019-02-02 at 07:57 -0800, mitch Stanley wrote:
> > We are thinking of relocating to Roseburg , OR & surprise they have
> > Fiber
> > per DFN <https://dfn.net/about-dfn> . I was pleasantly surprised ! I
> > feel
> > the prices are reasonable - 100Mbps @39.99 / 250Mbps @$54.99 & Giga@
> > $89.99
> > <https://dfn.net/fiber-in-the-home>
> >
> > If Roseburg can do it , Portland should have accomplished this
> > too! The
> > only thing affecting this lack of Fiber in PDX is entrenched
> > interests -
> > Why offer
> > fiber when the Big Guys are offering Broad band @ $65/mo ( My
> > Xfinity
> > bill for 100Mbps ) & you don't have to invest $$$ anymore plus you
> > can Buy
> > - SKY, Unviversal Pictures , & maybe a TV Network , like NBC.
> >
> > Sorry for preaching to the Choir , I do not know whom to write ,
> > call,ect
> > my frustration with the entrenched system. We would like to live in
> > Semi
> > Rural area
> > but lack of Broadband drastically limits one choices but to larger
> > cities /
> > urban areas.
> >
> > Have a Great Weekend,
> >
> > Sincerely ,
> >
> > Mitch S.
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