Plug-talk, please. On Sun, Sep 22, 2019, 22:23 Jim Karlock <[email protected]> wrote:
> Why do you continue to spam this list? > > That is a fake web site, put up, presumably, buy one of Portland's > progressives that have problems with being told actual facts against > their propaganda. > > Thanks > JK > DebunkingPortland.com > DebunkingClimate.com > > > > > At 10:05 PM 9/22/2019, Ben Koenig wrote: > >Wait, hold on Jim... > > > >Is this you?? > >https://karlockformetro.blogspot.com/2009/11/we-are-winning.html > > > >Facts? You want to talk about Facts? What about this one here: > > > > > > > >On Sun, Sep 22, 2019 at 9:57 PM Ben Koenig <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > LOL! > > > > > > Conservative activist in the Portland area? Dude, there is nothing for > you > > > to defend. Your attitude is combative, and follows the pattern of > russian > > > trolling. > > > > > > But hey, I guess that's why we have a PLUG-Talk list. If you want to > make > > > everything a "Me VS The Other Guy" battle, go find yourself an > appropriate > > > forum. Oh wait! Sorry, it appears people have a tendency to kick your > ass > > > to the curb: > > > > > > > > > https://blogs.columbian.com/all-politics-is-local/jim-karlock-got-kicked-out-of-a-league-of-women-voters-forum/ > > > > > > I'm reading your text, and seeing a sad little man who starts off topic > > > conversations, then hides when confronted. > > > > > > > > > On Sun, Sep 22, 2019 at 9:40 PM Jim Karlock <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > >> At 08:55 PM 9/22/2019, Ben Koenig wrote: > > >> >Maybe this is just me, but my inbox has a message where someone used > this > > >> >conversation to pivot into a pro-Trump, anti-Obama rant for no > particular > > >> >reason. > > >> > > >> "pivot into a pro-Trump, anti-Obama rant" for observing that "Trump > > >> is cleaning up some of the faster than Obama did. That sounds a lot > > >> like hyper liberal exxageration to me. > > >> > > >> > > >> >Does anyone know who "Jim Karlock" is? > > >> Look me up on Google Scholar. > > >> > > >> > I'm wondering if he even uses linux > > >> YES. Not very proficient, but I use it almost daily. > > >> > > >> >because he just fired off a lot of hyper conservative BS in a very > short > > >> >amount of time. > > >> > > >> Hyper conservative BS?? Interesting characterization of a counter to > > >> hyper greenie BS! > > >> > > >> Look up the factual accuracy of what I posted and compare it to the > > >> other guy. Please do not use any greenie web sites that raise money > > >> be scaring people about the environment as sources. EPA will have the > > >> data. Look at the data, not the text as that is often political. > > >> > > >> BTW - this is a lot off topic, so, having defended myself, lets call > it > > >> quits. > > >> > > >> Thanks > > >> JK > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> >On Sun, Sep 22, 2019 at 7:06 PM Brian Rohan <[email protected]> > > >> wrote: > > >> > > > >> > > Not sure why the homelessness is a topic on PLUG, unless they are > > >> homeless > > >> > > because they don't have an IPv6 address. > > >> > > > > >> > > On Sun, Sep 22, 2019, 6:51 PM Mike C. <[email protected]> > wrote: > > >> > > > > >> > > > On Sun, Sep 22, 2019 at 4:27 PM <[email protected]> > wrote: > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > Send PLUG mailing list submissions to > > >> > > > > [email protected] > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > >> > > > > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > > >> > > > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > > >> > > > > [email protected] > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > You can reach the person managing the list at > > >> > > > > [email protected] > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more > > >> specific > > >> > > > > than "Re: Contents of PLUG digest..." > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > Today's Topics: > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > 1. Re: IP tracking (Ben Koenig) > > >> > > > > 2. Re: How we treat the homeless... (John Jason Jordan) > > >> > > > > 3. Re: PLUG HAS A VENUE PROBLEM (Denis Heidtmann) > > >> > > > > 4. Re: How we treat the homeless.. (Mike C.) > > >> > > > > 5. Re: IP tracking (Rich Shepard) > > >> > > > > 6. Re: How we treat the homeless... (Jim Karlock) > > >> > > > > 7. Re: How we treat the homeless... (Michael Barnes) > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > Message: 1 > > >> > > > > Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2019 13:01:29 -0700 > > >> > > > > From: Ben Koenig <[email protected]> > > >> > > > > To: [email protected] > > >> > > > > Subject: Re: [PLUG] IP tracking > > >> > > > > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > > >> > > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > On 9/22/19 10:41 AM, Thomas Groman wrote: > > >> > > > > > ... When it comes to calendering, NextCloud is great > > >> > > > > > for this. It can provide both a web interface and CalDav > > >> services for > > >> > > > > > integration within Thunderbird, CalCurse-caldav, android, or > > >> anything > > >> > > > > > else than handles caldav... > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > You make some good points, but also demonstrate the level to > which > > >> > > > > google is embedded in software development. In recommending > ways > > >> to get > > >> > > > > away from google's tracking, you mentioned compatibility with > > >> Android, > > >> > > > > which renders all efforts to afford the problem meaningless. > > >> Tracking > > >> > > > > that is baked into the OS affects all apps running within that > > >> OS, so > > >> > > > > you have to stop using android. Also stop mentioning it. > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > Not that I'm the best example of this, writing from my gmail > > >> account. > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > Another example of OS-level integration is systemd. systemd > > >> defaults to > > >> > > > > google's nameservers when no others are provided. It's a > fallback > > >> > > > > mechanism if standard DNS configuration fails, and is > implemented > > >> at > > >> > > > > compile time. Like you mentioned, it's more than just IP > > >> tracking, you > > >> > > > > need to start rejecting entire chunks of your OS stack if you > > >> want to > > >> > > > > actually get away from google's profile building. > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > It's pretty disgusting these days. Distros like Debian and > Ubuntu > > >> > > > > working behind the scenes to sell out the community. Even > Mozilla > > >> links > > >> > > > > up with all those API's, making a weak claim that their use > for > > >> > > tracking > > >> > > > > is totally different from everyone else's. They still send > data to > > >> > > > > google servers.... > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > ------------------------------ > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > Message: 2 > > >> > > > > Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2019 13:17:39 -0700 > > >> > > > > From: John Jason Jordan <[email protected]> > > >> > > > > To: [email protected] > > >> > > > > Subject: Re: [PLUG] How we treat the homeless... > > >> > > > > Message-ID: <20190922131739.1fda6333@Devil-Bonobo> > > >> > > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > On Sun, 22 Sep 2019 10:46:00 -0700 (PDT) > > >> > > > > Rich Shepard <[email protected]> dijo: > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > >This is a continuing, higly complex problem that has no > simple > > >> > > > > >resolution. > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > +1 > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > ------------------------------ > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > Message: 3 > > >> > > > > Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2019 14:06:58 -0700 > > >> > > > > From: Denis Heidtmann <[email protected]> > > >> > > > > To: "Portland Linux/Unix Group" <[email protected]> > > >> > > > > Subject: Re: [PLUG] PLUG HAS A VENUE PROBLEM > > >> > > > > Message-ID: > > >> > > > > < > > >> > > > > > > >> caarut0iwxupfzf-e4g7wusuz4vampk+pt_pwrgnsaidxadu...@mail.gmail.com> > > >> > > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > FWIIW, PSU has done the same thing with the doors in SB1, even > > >> though > > >> > > > there > > >> > > > > is a business operating in that building. I once had to let > in > > >> one of > > >> > > > > their customers. > > >> > > > > -Denis > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > On Sat, Sep 21, 2019 at 7:17 PM Russell Senior < > > >> > > > [email protected]> > > >> > > > > wrote: > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > I am a fan of Portland State as a venue. Firstly, we've been > > >> there > > >> > > > > forever, > > >> > > > > > b) their mission includes engaging with the community (not > least > > >> > > > because > > >> > > > > > it's a service to their students); and iii) it's got a good > > >> central > > >> > > > > > location with good transportation options. I suggest we > picket > > >> the > > >> > > PSU > > >> > > > > > administration building; second I suggest we investigate > > >> whether a > > >> > > room > > >> > > > > in > > >> > > > > > a different building might work. I recall we were in Smith > for > > >> quite > > >> > > a > > >> > > > > > while before moving to the Engineering building. > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > On Sat, Sep 21, 2019 at 4:27 PM Vince Winter < > > >> > > > [email protected]> > > >> > > > > > wrote: > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > Hey, > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > I can try to convince free geek to host on Sundays during > the > > >> day > > >> > > > > > 11am-5pm > > >> > > > > > > area? They maybe open to that. > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > Have you tried reaching out to the campus security to see > if > > >> they > > >> > > > would > > >> > > > > > be > > >> > > > > > > open to having someone help with door between 645 to 715? > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 20, 2019, 4:53 PM Michael Dexter < > > >> [email protected]> > > >> > > > > > wrote: > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Hello all, > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Thank you everyone who pointed out a few odd elements > about > > >> the > > >> > > > last > > >> > > > > > > > meeting, none of which were the fact that I was not > there. > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > 1. The room change was temporary. Whew! > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > 2. Thanks to the homeless abusing PSU resources, the > > >> engineering > > >> > > > > > > > building will be locking its doors at 5:30PM starting > next > > >> month. > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > This is sounds minor but the "answer" is to have > someone at > > >> the > > >> > > > door > > >> > > > > > who > > >> > > > > > > > can identify PLUG attendees (not necessarily easy) and > not > > >> allow > > >> > > in > > >> > > > > > > > anyone who should not enter (also not easy). This door > guard > > >> > > would > > >> > > > > also > > >> > > > > > > > ideally hang around for 15 or so minutes to accommodate > late > > >> > > > > arrivals. > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > I personally do not want PLUG members to be in the > campus > > >> > > security > > >> > > > > > > > business given that it could incur liability should they > > >> fail to > > >> > > > > comply > > >> > > > > > > > with the school's security policies they are expected to > > >> enforce. > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > PLUG has been at PSU for over 20 years and venues of > this > > >> quality > > >> > > > do > > >> > > > > > not > > >> > > > > > > > come easily. > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Please share your ideas on how we can work around this > new > > >> > > > > restriction! > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Please also share your ideas on venues should a > solution not > > >> > > > present > > >> > > > > > > > itself. The ideal venue, like PSU: > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > * Is central with good public transportation access > > >> > > > > > > > * Is free of charge > > >> > > > > > > > * Is not dependent on a staff attendant unless they are > > >> > > guaranteed > > >> > > > to > > >> > > > > > be > > >> > > > > > > > there for other reasons > > >> > > > > > > > * Has good lighting > > >> > > > > > > > * Has a good projector > > >> > > > > > > > * Has affordable, safe parking for those who cannot take > > >> public > > >> > > > > > > > transportation > > >> > > > > > > > * Has good WiFI and optional Ethernet Internet access > > >> > > > > > > > * Has good food options on site or nearby > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Free Geek is a highly-sympathetic venue but does not > meet > > >> all of > > >> > > > > these > > >> > > > > > > > criteria. > > >> > > > > Actually it is a very simple, two tiered, problem: > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > 1. Cost of housing is ONLY in areas with severe restrictions > on > > >> > > building > > >> > > > > on unused land. In Oregon & Washington it is Urban Grown > > >> > > > > Boundaries. They have doubled cost of rents/ housing. Simple > > >> economics > > >> > > - > > >> > > > > they create a shortage of land, which drives up the > > >> > > > > price. In Portland's low income are, Lents, a parcel recently > > >> sold for > > >> > > > ONE > > >> > > > > MILLION/ acra which is about $125,000 for a 5000 sf empty > > >> > > > > lot. Portland adds at lease $50,000 to that for permission to > > >> build. > > >> > > When > > >> > > > > you start with almost $200,000 in cost BEFORE building > anything, > > >> > > > > you cannot build affordable houses. > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > Yes but also Oregon & Texas are the only 2 states that don't > have > > >> > > > "Inclusionary Housing" laws that require developers to build a > > >> certain > > >> > > > number of affordable / low income units. More info here, > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > https://www.oregonlive.com/politics/2015/04/after_years_of_trying_inclusio.html > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > 2. People who simply cannot afford rent, end up living with > > >> friends, > > >> > > > > sharing an apartment, living in a camper or moving to another > > >> area. > > >> > > There > > >> > > > > are many successful services for this group. They generally do > > >> not end > > >> > > up > > >> > > > > in tests surrounded by needles. > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > Yes, "generally" as far as generalizations go. > > >> > > > > > >> > > > 3. Tent people are about 50-80% drug/alcohol addicts, some > mentally > > >> ill > > >> > > > > that probably should be in institutions, and criminals who no > one > > >> > > > > will rent to. > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > I've heard a variety of life stories and personally know a lot > > >> people > > >> > > from > > >> > > > all walks of life. We also have housed & employed drug addicts, > > >> > > alcoholics, > > >> > > > criminals and sociopaths. One of who resides in the grandest > house > > >> of all > > >> > > > at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. > > >> > > > > > >> > > > These aspects of human experience aren't the exclusive domain > of the > > >> > > > homeless. > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > You may have noted an increase in people doing absolutely > crazy > > >> things > > >> > > > > described as a mental health crisis - mostly illegal drug use. > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > View Seattle is Dying on YouTube for one viewpoint on the > problem. > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > I've seen it, wasn't impressed by nor did I agree wit it > because > > >> it > > >> > > > doesn't address the root cause of alcohol, drug, tobacco and > other > > >> > > > addictions. Most often addiction is the result of trauma, abuse, > > >> social > > >> > > > disconnection in which their basic human needs aren't being met > and > > >> > > mental > > >> > > > illness such as depression in which people are simply seeking a > > >> respite > > >> > > > from their own suffering not unlike many housed people do when > they > > >> drink > > >> > > > and adult beverage, partake of the herb or otherwise > > >> entertain/distract > > >> > > > themselves in the privacy of their own home. > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > _______________________________________________ > > >> > > > PLUG mailing list > > >> > > > [email protected] > > >> > > > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > > >> > > > > > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > >> > > PLUG mailing list > > >> > > [email protected] > > >> > > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > > >> > > > > >> >_______________________________________________ > > >> >PLUG mailing list > > >> >[email protected] > > >> >http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> PLUG mailing list > > >> [email protected] > > >> http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > > >> > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >PLUG mailing list > >[email protected] > >http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > _______________________________________________ PLUG mailing list [email protected] http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
