Some of this is sounding a bit hostile. Hostility is not useful. -Denis On Mon, Sep 23, 2019 at 5:01 PM Ben Koenig <[email protected]> wrote:
> One can also re-frame Tomas' comments. > > > The seatbelt did not invent itself, and Internet Safety doesn't grow on > trees. There is an expectation currently that everything will magically > work itself out, that all of this will be made right in the end. The > reality is that someone has to build the better system, in order for us > to have a better system. > > > IMO, Rich isn't going to get what he wants, for a number of different > reasons. The first being that the whole automotive analogy is > fundamentally flawed and arrogant. But that's just my opinion, based on > time spent working with users in a variety of settings. > > > There is merit to saying that those who make no effort to understand the > system should STFU. > > -Ben > > > On 9/23/19 2:34 PM, Mike C. wrote: > > As a tech user and non-tech worker/researcher, Rich, makes a very salient > > point about personal data privacy / security. > > > > In the words of comedian Roy Moore, "Ain't nobody got time for all that" > > reading the Terms of Service, researching apps, monitoring security > > vulnerabilities, etc. > > > > I've worked in IT most of my life, personal / public privacy / security > > matters to me and mostly what I focus on is not making it easy for > > companies to profit from my personal data. Not too mention the > revelations > > of Mr. Snowden. > > > > I'd like to re-frame Rich's car analogy a bit. We are with the Internet, > > where we were with the car before the seat belt. > > > > It's fun, useful, convenient but also very unsafe. Many people were > killed > > and seriously injured along the way to seat belts being required to be in > > cars and then be used. > > > > Most people use the internet with a seat belt and the focus continues to > be > > on features / functionality for profit. > > > > As another Plug'er mentioned, IP tracking is baked in and privacy / > > security is not. When I was doing IT / Network Security work almost 20 > yrs > > ago it was mostly after-market, bolt on stuff. I've read that this is > > changing slowly as young sw devs are being trained to write more secure > > code and I think privacy from surveillance is probably on more people's > > minds these days. > > > > > > > > One thing I've noticed is that EFF's Surveillance Self-Defense guide > > continues to evolve and now has things like "Personal Threat Model" and > > "Limitations of this Guide." > > > > Clearly if you're a journalist, activist, lgtbq youth, you're going to > have > > a different thread model than your average internet user. > > > > I did a quick search of Ghostery found an article that it was acquired > by a > > Germany based browser company, Cliqz. According to the article, Germany > has > > some of the strongest privacy laws in the world. > > > https://www.pcworld.com/article/3170574/browser-privacy-extension-ghostery-is-moving-to-germany.html > > > > So I'm grateful that Rich brought up Ghostery and that a conversation > > ensued. Now I get to "play" w. a new browser and maybe take one more > small > > step away from the Google empire. > > > > I've been trying to get away from Gmail for years. I've Riseup and > > Protonmail accounts but Gmail has more storage, features, conveniences. > > > > Not that it matters with the PLUG mailing list as it's a publicly > > searchable record. > > _______________________________________________ > > PLUG mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > _______________________________________________ PLUG mailing list [email protected] http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
