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On Friday, April 14th, 2023 at 1:29 PM, Rich Shepard <[email protected]> 
wrote:


> On Fri, 14 Apr 2023, Ben Koenig wrote:
> 
> > Now if you want to stop randomly moving things from one port to another in
> > a desperate attempt to get it working, then we can probably go through and
> > actually troubleshoot the problem.
> 
> 
> Ben,
> 
> Testing ports is generally considered a good first step. Now I know that I
> get stereo sound from the rear panel 3.5mm (green) audio output, the
> headphones will stay there.
> 
> > Like I mentioned in my original response there's something screwy with
> > what you described in pavucontrol and given the discrepancy you just ran
> > into between your browser and zoom you are just confirming my suspicion.
> 
> > - remove all extra devices and make sure it works with the most minimal
> > hardware setup.
> 
> 
> Microphone + headphones; speakers turned off
> 
> > your devices and make whatever adjustments are needed in pavucontrol to
> > get audio in/out
> 
> 
> Audio in is not an issue; it works with Zoom and Jitsi.
> 
> The last time I futzed with this issue pavucontrol's configuration tab
> recognized speakers and headphone and let me select which I wanted. Now it's
> not recognizing that headphones are connected.
> 
> I wish you a quick, and completely, recovery from your COVID19 infection. A
> news article today said the likelihood of long COVID is less with a second
> infection than with a first one. I hope you never have to face that.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Rich

This COVID #2. When I got it the first time the vaccines were only approved for 
old people so I had to tough it out but it was mild for me. This time it was 
moderate, with a nice high feve. I actually tested negative yesterday but still 
working through the symptoms. This whole week sucked.

As for your troubleshooting, maybe I should clarify my point about 
jack-sensing....

Yes, I GET IT. I AM WELL AWARE THAT MOVING TO A DIFFERENT PORT IS A 
TROUBLESHOOTING STEP. That's not in dispute. What I'm saying is that pulse will 
get confused when you do that. Just because it has the ability to detect 
whether or not a jack is plugged in doesn't mean that it will get it right. It 
often gets it WRONG.

Also, pulse has another feature that you need to take into consideration. 
Whenever you plug in heaphones, pulseaudio likes to be "user friendly" and 
switch to that device. This means that when you move to a different port to 
verify functionality, the settings may reconfigure themselves and now things 
are different. So it makes it very difficult to follow the Rule of One to 
identify things like bad ports/cables. I've run into situations where I'm 
troubleshooting, just like you and suddenly all sound is being directed to my 
HDMI output. 

Whenever you move a device for testing to a new port, you have to verify that 
the inputs/ouputs didn't get bumped over to a completely different device. But 
since your description of what you see in pavucontrol doesn't make any sense, I 
have no idea if this is an issue of user error, hardware failure, or software 
failure. This is why I ask you to stop moving jacks around. Every time you move 
a jack, we have to start from the beginning. That's pulseuadio Working As 
Intended.

Or jacksensing could just be broken. It's broken on my system right now.
-Ben

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