Hey
All,
I am using plum, but I'm sure not in the method most others
are. We used the IDE to quickly dump out all of the maintenence screens for our
app, then we parted ways with the IDE. Then we custom coded most of the
interface pages to not use the plum InsertRecord,UpdateRecord and
displayList tags. So now the PLUM structure exists as the security model for our
application that also inherits it's folder structure. We have made many
customizations to the other plum custom tags, plus added tons of our
own and our huge web application makes large use of cf udfs.
In closing I dont know how much time I would have to help
coding any large applications, but I am always available to try to help figuire
out solutions to problems people are having with PLUM.
-----Original Message-----I agree with your assessment, Aaron. One of the things Plum really does well is help you organize your application. Joe Rinehart (ModelGlue) even commented on this in a blog review of Plum a while ago. There aren't a whole lot of files dumped in the root directory; the application layout is clean and makes sense.
From: Jeff Fleitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2006 8:15 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [plum] Show of Hands
One of the things I really think would help, would be to have some bloggers posting about Plum. I have a dream... :) I am not sure that Adam and David want to blog about Plum, but I would do it, and sure there would be others as well. Those of us who have been using and/or extending it over the past couple years probably have some neat things that they could share. In fact, you could build a blogging app using Plum and make it freely available. So much of the functionality is already there with the integrated CMS implementation. If we created and made a CF Plum blogging application available, the way Ray Camden does, then you might have some interest. In fact, if you apply that reasoning to other niche applications and create them as plugins or 'plumming fixtures', you would have a lot of traction. Create some demo videos and post them on YouTube or Google video.
Doesn't make sense to blog about a technology that isn't going anywhere, though. Which is why I am asking for the show of hands, not only of the folks who want to volunteer to help, but of those folks who are using Plum that don't want to contribute for one reason or another.
We have to convince Adam and David that it is worthwhile to pursue this, because they own the intellectual property rights, and would have to be involved as Adam has pointed out. This isn't an oss project.
On 8/29/06, Aaron Longnion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:I'm interested! (though with a full-time job in an enterprise shop, and a 2-month-year-old, I can't promise much help).
One of the most common real-world CF development challenges out there is Legacy Code: bastardized Fusebox 2/3/4 codebases full of "working" CF 4/5-style code that needs to be re-factored into something scalable and robust (preferably making intelligent use of CFCs and CustomTags... elegantly, like the way Plum does so well)... without starting from scratch. If we could come up with a strategy to market PLUM as a framework that let's developers easily and smoothly transition from Legacy spaghetti code to well-documented, componentized PLUM code, then I think we'd be on to something. We'd stand out.
Until then, PLUM will only be used by a few adventurous folks.
( and I'd love to get my hands on the BD .NET version of PLUM ;-)
Aaron Longnion
HomeAway.com
On 8/29/06, Jeff Fleitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:Hey folks,
Can I get a show of hands of those of you on the list that still actively use Plum to develop applications (Adam and David, you don't count ;)? Is anybody interested in seeing another version?
Adam mentioned several months ago that there would be another version and was looking for volunteers to help with the tasking. If enough people are interested, I think we should take him up on it.
I still use Plum for all my development, even though I have been experimenting with Fusebox, ModelGlue, Ruby on Rails, and a little DotNet, and a little Flex over the past 6-8 months. I am an independent developer working on department-level applications, not working on an Enterprise team, and I find that Plum just fits better for what I do than all the Enterprise OOP frameworks out there. It is a testiment to the foresight and skill of Adam and David that I find Plum more than relevant still. While Plum offers so much out of the box, there is still room for improvement and some bug fixes. And we need to reach out to our non-Windows bretheren to try to get more traction and momentum, or move on to other environments. I personally would like to see Plum flourish, and so I am posting this message.
I was recently going over the mailing list archives, and was amazed at how active we were as a community only a year ago. Now it is like a ghost town. I for one would like to see Plum resurrected and get some community involvement going so we can remain relevant.
I have some ideas for enhancements, and I'm sure those of you that still use Plum do as well. But before we put the cart before the horse - is anybody interested?
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v/r,
Jeff Fleitz
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Aaron Longnion
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
512-470-1211
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v/r,
Jeff Fleitz
