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Jeff,
We'd certainly be involved regarding guidance, as we've
learned what does and doesn't work over the years of developing Plum, and we've
tried some things that never made it into production because they either
wouldn't work the way Plum was originally built or the feature was just too
cumbersome to code. That, and we have a number of "If only we had done it
*this* way instead" moments that came to light after using it in production for
a while. The most obvious one was the whole name aliasing bit, but there
are a few more.
Respectfully,
Adam Phillip Churvis
Certified Advanced ColdFusion MX 7
Developer
BlueDragon Alliance Founding Committee
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Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2006 1:25
PM
Subject: Re: [plum] Show of Hands
Hi Adam,
Great to hear from you.
I think you have
clarified things for me, as far as your direction. I think releasing the
framework and custom tags with your stipulations would be a good step. I doubt
in anyone in the CF community has any interest in having the source to the
IDE, though. To be able to handle that we would have to be .NET developers, so
I don't see the value in that.
I too am interested in moving away from
doing just websites, and have been waffling between .NET and
Flex/Apollo. I need to leverage as much knowlege as possible, as it is
tough to do project work and develop new initiatives at the same time (as you
know). I was thinking that Plum might be able to assimilate some of this
new technology in the future and morph into a framework that could potentially
generate web, and/or distributed apps which have a desktop component.
Anyway, lets see what others say. I didn't want to imply that I
was going to take over Plum as an OSS project, because we all know where the
shareware model got you. Giving us to take it where we want to
individually might be a first step. Although, without your direction and
participation, I am not sure I want to go there.
Thoughts?
On 8/30/06, Adam
Churvis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
Folks,
Just so you know, we're listening and trying to decide how
best to accommodate everyone.
Perhaps licensing the source code for both the IDE and the
Framework for public modification with a couple of stipulations attached
regarding proprietary rights. This would certainly get everyone
started improving Plum sooner and at their own pace and in their own
directions.
Plum is exactly the tool we wanted for our own use, and
it's been almost everything we've ever wanted for CF-based sites. But
our business is moving way beyond just websites over the next year, so
we need to release our hold on Plum so that others can modify it as they see
fit, when they see fit.
How would you all like to handle this? We're open to
any and all ideas.
Respectfully,
Adam Phillip Churvis
Certified Advanced ColdFusion MX 7
Developer
BlueDragon Alliance Founding Committee
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Original Message -----
Sent:
Tuesday, August 29, 2006 8:07 PM
Subject:
[plum] Show of Hands
Hey folks,
Can I get a show of hands of those of you
on the list that still actively use Plum to develop applications (Adam and
David, you don't count ;)? Is anybody interested in seeing another
version?
Adam mentioned several months ago that there would be
another version and was looking for volunteers to help with the
tasking. If enough people are interested, I think we should take him
up on it.
I still use Plum for all my development, even though I
have been experimenting with Fusebox, ModelGlue, Ruby on Rails, and a little
DotNet, and a little Flex over the past 6-8 months. I am an independent
developer working on department-level applications, not working on an
Enterprise team, and I find that Plum just fits better for what I do than
all the Enterprise OOP frameworks out there. It is a testiment to the
foresight and skill of Adam and David that I find Plum more than relevant
still. While Plum offers so much out of the box, there is still room
for improvement and some bug fixes. And we need to reach out to our
non-Windows bretheren to try to get more traction and momentum, or move on
to other environments. I personally would like to see Plum flourish, and so
I am posting this message.
I was recently going over the mailing
list archives, and was amazed at how active we were as a community only a
year ago. Now it is like a ghost town. I for one would like to
see Plum resurrected and get some community involvement going so we can
remain relevant.
I have some ideas for enhancements, and I'm sure
those of you that still use Plum do as well. But before we put the
cart before the horse - is anybody interested?
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v/r,
Jeff Fleitz
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v/r,
Jeff Fleitz
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