Hey all,
I'm not a plum user. I've only gone as far as downloading and
installing it which turned out nice but I never have taken the time to
adopt it in a real-life application. I suppose we could discuss why
that is on another thread. However, I have followed these emails for
about a year or so now and feel like there is a real opportunity to
breath life back into what seems like a useful core toolset.
Jeff mentioned that what they really needed were some killer apps
written in Plum and for people to be blogging about Plum...Maybe write a
blogging tool using Plum...etc
If the community decides to do this using a plum app or other, let me
know. I am happy to add your feeds to one of my pet projects
CFBlogs.com As a matter of fact, I might even go as far as considering
hosting a blogging app on the site that is written with Plum for the
community at large to use similar to blogger.com and others. I'd also
consider hosting any other community-use CF-based applications written
in Plum in the future.
Let me know your thoughts...
Vince Collins
NHJobs.com
http://www.nhjobs.com
Jeff Fleitz wrote:
I agree with your assessment, Aaron. One of the things Plum really
does well is help you organize your application. Joe Rinehart
(ModelGlue) even commented on this in a blog review of Plum a while
ago. There aren't a whole lot of files dumped in the root directory;
the application layout is clean and makes sense.
One of the things I really think would help, would be to have some
bloggers posting about Plum. I have a dream... :) I am not sure that
Adam and David want to blog about Plum, but I would do it, and sure
there would be others as well. Those of us who have been using and/or
extending it over the past couple years probably have some neat things
that they could share. In fact, you could build a blogging app using
Plum and make it freely available. So much of the functionality is
already there with the integrated CMS implementation. If we created
and made a CF Plum blogging application available, the way Ray Camden
does, then you might have some interest. In fact, if you apply that
reasoning to other niche applications and create them as plugins or
'plumming fixtures', you would have a lot of traction. Create some
demo videos and post them on YouTube or Google video.
Doesn't make sense to blog about a technology that isn't going
anywhere, though. Which is why I am asking for the show of hands, not
only of the folks who want to volunteer to help, but of those folks
who are using Plum that don't want to contribute for one reason or
another.
We have to convince Adam and David that it is worthwhile to pursue
this, because they own the intellectual property rights, and would
have to be involved as Adam has pointed out. This isn't an oss project.
On 8/29/06, *Aaron Longnion* <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote:
I'm interested! (though with a full-time job in an enterprise
shop, and a 2-month-year-old, I can't promise much help).
One of the most common real-world CF development challenges out
there is Legacy Code: bastardized Fusebox 2/3/4 codebases full of
"working" CF 4/5-style code that needs to be re-factored into
something scalable and robust (preferably making intelligent use
of CFCs and CustomTags... elegantly, like the way Plum does so
well)... without starting from scratch. If we could come up with
a strategy to market PLUM as a framework that let's developers
easily and smoothly transition from Legacy spaghetti code to
well-documented, componentized PLUM code, then I think we'd be on
to something. We'd stand out.
Until then, PLUM will only be used by a few adventurous folks.
( and I'd love to get my hands on the BD .NET version of PLUM ;-)
Aaron Longnion
HomeAway.com
On 8/29/06, *Jeff Fleitz* <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote:
Hey folks,
Can I get a show of hands of those of you on the list that
still actively use Plum to develop applications (Adam and
David, you don't count ;)? Is anybody interested in seeing
another version?
Adam mentioned several months ago that there would be another
version and was looking for volunteers to help with the
tasking. If enough people are interested, I think we should
take him up on it.
I still use Plum for all my development, even though I have
been experimenting with Fusebox, ModelGlue, Ruby on Rails, and
a little DotNet, and a little Flex over the past 6-8 months. I
am an independent developer working on department-level
applications, not working on an Enterprise team, and I find
that Plum just fits better for what I do than all the
Enterprise OOP frameworks out there. It is a testiment to the
foresight and skill of Adam and David that I find Plum more
than relevant still. While Plum offers so much out of the
box, there is still room for improvement and some bug fixes.
And we need to reach out to our non-Windows bretheren to try
to get more traction and momentum, or move on to other
environments. I personally would like to see Plum flourish,
and so I am posting this message.
I was recently going over the mailing list archives, and was
amazed at how active we were as a community only a year ago.
Now it is like a ghost town. I for one would like to see Plum
resurrected and get some community involvement going so we can
remain relevant.
I have some ideas for enhancements, and I'm sure those of you
that still use Plum do as well. But before we put the cart
before the horse - is anybody interested?
--
v/r,
Jeff Fleitz
--
Aaron Longnion
[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
512-470-1211
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v/r,
Jeff Fleitz
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