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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (admin) To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: Domain heist: Hoopla.com reportedly stolen via fax to Verisign Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 00:43:11 -0400 Message-ID: <005401c1e2a5$b76ab730$2b483244@CJ52269B> The attorney at VeriSign (Network Solutions) who handles these cases is Phil Sbarbaro at [EMAIL PROTECTED] What the issue is that they get fax authorizations to update the admin contact all the time because people let their domain records become outdated. Then there is the question of how much work does NSI do in order to verify the authenticity of the fax and/or use due dilligence to correct the matter. As for getting the domain back via legal means there are generally 2 ways to do that. One is the Dispute Policy (UDRP) where the owner would claim trademark rights or a court order. [EMAIL PROTECTED] is Many registrars are now allow users to use "registry locking" which is essentially the same as locking in your long distance carrier with your local phone company. Russ Smith http://TheNIC.com --- X-pair-Authenticated: 68.56.46.10 From: "Raymond Hines III" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Organization: DreamStates Technologies, Inc. To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 18:25:38 +0005 Subject: Re: FC: Domain heist: Hoopla.com reportedly stolen via fax to Verisign This also happened to me - I used to own the domain name "dream.org" back in 1994 when I ran an online BBS called DreamStates BBS. The techies at the University of Florida graciously allowed me to pull email and newsgroups via the UUCP protocol under my own domain name (dream.org). It was very cool and DreamStates BBS was one of the first "internet" enabled BBSes in all of Florida. Years later I moved and no longer used the domain name but had it parked under my personal webmaster account with a hosting company to save for future use. When it came time for renewal, I found out that I no longer owned the domain name -- it was swiped right out under from me with nary a word from anyone. Apparently someone in Hong Kong stole it and to this day it is still registered to someone there. After many frantic calls and faxes with Network Solutions, the conclusion was "You're screwed." in so many words. I just gave up fighting for it long ago since I was a still a struggling student at the University and didn't have the time nor the resources to fight it legally. However, after that nasty experience, I transferred all my domains from Network Solutions to OpenSRS which now has the ability to "lock" your domain in from being transferred unless you explicitly approve it. I feel much safer now and I would recommend folks transfer their domains away from control of Network Solutions for that reason alone (not to mention the cheaper fees as well). Ray --- Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 15:33:33 -0700 From: Troy Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Declan McCullagh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: FC: Domain heist: Hoopla.com reportedly stolen via fax to Verisign That happened to one of our domains in late 1998 -- twice. The hijacker faxed a forged change request, it was approved despite our email rejection, and we spent many hours on the phone to get it back. NetSol switched it back and said it was locked from future changes. Two days later, same thing happened and we did it all over again. This time they apparantly locked it, or the guy gave up. After it happened, we started a thread on a mailing list that NSI used to host for discussing the domain registration process. 8-10 people replied to the thread, so they knew about the problem then. Unfortunately the list has been closed and the archives seem to be gone. Worse, it sounds like the process is still broken. Troy --- Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 14:42:09 +0200 To: Dean Allen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> From: Alexander Svensson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: FC: Domain heist: Hoopla.com reportedly stolen via fax to Verisign Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dean, At 12.04.2002 13:48, Declan McCullagh wrote: >From: Dean Allen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >A friend of mine, Leslie Harpold, published a well-respected blog/site called at hoopla.com. A few days ago her domain was illegally transferred to someone named Hubert Sarah in Berlin, seemingly on the basis of one fax to NetSol. unfortunately, the new whois entry is complete garbage -- there is no "kreshenc 8402 street beunce" in Berlin, and 41645 is not the correct ZIP code for Berlin either. Hardly an accident. >sarah hubert > kreshenc 8402 street beunce > > berlin > de DE 41645 > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Phone: 46456154 Best regards, /// Alexander --- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- POLITECH -- Declan McCullagh's politics and technology mailing list You may redistribute this message freely if you include this notice. To subscribe to Politech: http://www.politechbot.com/info/subscribe.html This message is archived at http://www.politechbot.com/ Declan McCullagh's photographs are at http://www.mccullagh.org/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sign this pro-therapeutic cloning petition: http://www.franklinsociety.org -------------------------------------------------------------------------
