Holly,
Triage in an ER is not like on the battle field or
during a disaster. It is used to depict those that warrant attention
immediately and/or those who need it at all. Many come in with
ailments that are treatable at home or through a PCP. The problem is
that there are on any given night in many hospitals throughout the
country groups of minorities and many " illegals " overwhelming the
system with petty ailments and are disrupting the flow of care
deserving to the real emergency cases. We may be morally required to
treat the truely needy emergency cases but not the petty stuff they
abuse the system with. Triage in these cases is really a separation of
" need " vs " abuse ". Go to almost any hospital in any large or
midsized urban area and see the nightmare these individuals
perpetrate. Many with three or four kids and or extended famillies of
up to 10 or twelve. They are boisterous and often very rude and lack
any respect for others or for where they are. We are not obligated to
accept this kind of behavior just because they decide to use ER's for
their lack of insurance, especially when most are " illegals ".
Just like liberals do not comprehend the meaning of "
illegal " they do not comprehend " emergency ". Triage in the ER is a
good thing, not a bad thing .
On Aug 20, 9:07 pm, Hollywood <[email protected]> wrote:
> Sage2,,
>
> For God's sake, does the simplest things have to be explained to some
> people? Triage is NOT treatment, it is an evaluation process by which
> priority for treatment is determined.
>
> On Aug 20, 5:37 pm, Sage2 <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Luiz,
>
> > Speak for yourself ! First you said they were
> > dismissed and denied and Know you come back and say they go through
> > the process of " triage " to validate their claims. It is you that is
> > being dishonest here. Trying to be like Obama are we lie and lie on
> > top of the lie !
>
> > ************************************************************************
>
> > On Aug 20, 5:45 pm, CaliforniaLuis <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > As history has shown, the right has very little credibility.
>
> > > On Aug 20, 2:38 pm, Diogenes <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > The right should and must be very careful about attacking the
> > > > credibility of the arguments of anyones comments. Considering the
> > > > cross misrepresentation of the past years. When facts are confused and
> > > > the misrepresentations are substitute for verifiable facts or even the
> > > > most incredible comments.
>
> > > > On Aug 20, 5:21 pm, Travis <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > You want us to listen to the constant stream of unending lies from the
> > > > > democrats instead?
>
> > > > > On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 4:15 PM, CaliforniaLuis <[email protected]>
> > > > > wrote:
>
> > > > > > Wrong. I worked in an ER/Trauma Center that was in one of the most
> > > > > > Hispanic areas of Southern California. EVERYONE that presents
> > > > > > themselves to an ER gets "triaged" by a nurse and a doctor. That
> > > > > > means vital signs and a quick exam. If you are
> > > > > > deemed to have a non life threatening emergency (which constitute
> > > > > > around 94% of all ER cases) you can be sent away LEGALLY to a free
> > > > > > clinic or to a private doctor if you have no form of payment. Being
> > > > > > "seen" is not the same as being "seen and treated".
>
> > > > > > On Aug 20, 12:29 pm, Sage2 <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > > > > > Your list is an obvious lie. YOU are obviously a
> > > > > > > liar because today's laws do not allow for denial of health care
> > > > > > > especially if you are an " illegal alien immigrant " in an
> > > > > > > emergency
> > > > > > > room situation though you may be denied payment for abusing the
> > > > > > > system
> > > > > > > the hospitals have to treat you and fight for payment later. The
> > > > > > > government today covers "emergency room " costs for { illegal
> > > > > > > alien
> > > > > > > immigrants } but not for U.S. citizens . Obama the biggest of all
> > > > > > > liars said today in his interview with a radio host that the bill
> > > > > > > does
> > > > > > > not cover " illegal alien immigrants " but it will cover emergency
> > > > > > > visits. So nothing has changed they will simply deluge our
> > > > > > > E-rooms and
> > > > > > > the bill will not allow hospitals to verify eligibility. So who
> > > > > > > are
> > > > > > > the liar's ? You and B.O. -------- LUIZ ! ! !
>
> > > > > > *************************************************************************************************************************
>
> > > > > > > On Aug 20, 2:37 pm, CaliforniaLuis <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > From working in the ER for 20 years, I have seen just how
> > > > > > > > restrictive
> > > > > > > > and penny-pinching corporate healthcare is...
>
> > > > > > > > Your child has a horrible earache at 2 AM? The child is
> > > > > > > > screaming in
> > > > > > > > agony so you drive to the local ER. The ER staff calls your
> > > > > > > > insurance
> > > > > > > > company/HMO for authorization only to be denied because it is
> > > > > > > > not a
> > > > > > > > "life-threatening emergency". What do they instruct the ER to
> > > > > > > > tell
> > > > > > > > the parents? Give the child some Tylenol and go to the walk-in
> > > > > > > > clinic
> > > > > > > > at 8:00 AM.
>
> > > > > > > > Vomiting your brains out in the middle of the night because of
> > > > > > > > food
> > > > > > > > poisoning? Go to the ER because you can't stop
> > > > > > > > vomiting...DENIED! Go
> > > > > > > > to your primary physician when his office opens.
>
> > > > > > > > Your child has a high fever. You can't seem to bring it down.
> > > > > > > > Unless
> > > > > > > > the fever is over 101 when you arrive at the ER, you will be
> > > > > > > > DENIED!
> > > > > > > > Go to your pediatrician's office when it opens in the morning.
>
> > > > > > > > Get into a car accident and you need to be admitted to the
> > > > > > > > hospital?
> > > > > > > > You are 100 miles from your insurance/HMO's contracted
> > > > > > > > hospital...DENIED. Unless you are critical and unstable, you
> > > > > > > > are put
> > > > > > > > into an ambulance and transferred to your contracted hospital.
> > > > > > > > Most
> > > > > > > > of the time, your contracted hospital is not a Trauma Center so
> > > > > > > > you
> > > > > > > > will get inexperienced and substandard care.
>
> > > > > > > > Gee, in any of these scenarios, if the patient would of had
> > > > > > > > government
> > > > > > > > insurance (Medi-Care or Medicaid), they would have been
> > > > > > > > APPROVED. In
> > > > > > > > fact, the ER would not even be required to call first for
> > > > > > > > authorization.
>
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>
> > > > > > > > Don't listen to people like Kama, OhioMark, Lew, LadyBug, and
> > > > > > > > Ms.
> > > > > > > > Con...they couldn't be more WRONG. They have no real world
> > > > > > > > experience. They are only sounding boards of the pundits.
> > > > > > > > Nearly
> > > > > > > > all nurses and doctors support the "public option" (as does the
> > > > > > > > American Medical Association). We have a perfect opportunity to
> > > > > > > > reform healthcare and I have a feeling we are going to give in
> > > > > > > > to the
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