KIT,

Nice rant. Now do you want to point out the lies in Luis's post ot
not?

On Aug 20, 10:20 pm, Keith In Tampa <[email protected]> wrote:
> Holly,
>
> As was the other post, in another thread regarding some wacked out
> Anti-American journalist bitching about the former presidential
> administration, wherein you challenged anyone to point to which statements
> are inaccurate,  the same applies to Moonbat Louis's wacked out post.   Any
> thinking American can see that the argument is based on half truths and
> emotional rhetoric, as well as some subliminal argument that somehow, we all
> should know that socialized medicine run by the federal government, (which
> has yet to run any program, or any "thing" well); is supposed to be a good
> thing.
>
> Luis is a Moonbat.  Another example of someone who is not real well
> informed, and doesn't understand how the principals and tenets that are the
> foundation of this Nation are being undermined by the Marxists and
> socialists who are pushing this type of program.
>
> You, on the other hand, should know better.   At your age, have you looked
> into this proposed piece of socialist legislation, and how it will affect
> your health care??
>
> On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 5:42 PM, Hollywood <[email protected]>wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > Travis,,
>
> > Try to calm down and focus. Which of Luis's statements are you
> > claiming are lies?
>
> > On Aug 20, 4:21 pm, Travis <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > You want us to listen to the constant stream of unending lies from the
> > > democrats instead?
>
> >  > On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 4:15 PM, CaliforniaLuis <[email protected]>
> > wrote:
>
> > > > Wrong.  I worked in an ER/Trauma Center that was in one of the most
> > > > Hispanic areas of Southern California.  EVERYONE that presents
> > > > themselves to an ER gets "triaged" by a nurse and a doctor.  That
> > > > means vital signs and a quick exam.  If you are
> > > > deemed to have a non life threatening emergency (which constitute
> > > > around 94% of all ER cases) you can be sent away LEGALLY to a free
> > > > clinic or to a private doctor if you have no form of payment.  Being
> > > > "seen" is not the same as being "seen and treated".
>
> > > > On Aug 20, 12:29 pm, Sage2 <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > > >                   Your list is an obvious lie. YOU are obviously a
> > > > > liar because today's laws do not allow for denial of health care
> > > > > especially if you are an " illegal alien immigrant " in an emergency
> > > > > room situation though you may be denied payment for abusing the
> > system
> > > > > the hospitals have to treat you and fight for payment later. The
> > > > > government today covers "emergency room " costs for { illegal alien
> > > > > immigrants } but not for U.S. citizens . Obama the biggest of all
> > > > > liars said today in his interview with a radio host that the bill
> > does
> > > > > not cover " illegal alien immigrants " but it will cover emergency
> > > > > visits. So nothing has changed they will simply deluge our E-rooms
> > and
> > > > > the bill will not allow hospitals to verify eligibility.  So who are
> > > > > the liar's ?  You and B.O.  -------- LUIZ ! ! !
>
> > ***************************************************************************­­**********************************************
>
> > > > > On Aug 20, 2:37 pm, CaliforniaLuis <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > From working in the ER for 20 years, I have seen just how
> > restrictive
> > > > > > and penny-pinching corporate healthcare is...
>
> > > > > > Your child has a horrible earache at 2 AM?  The child is screaming
> > in
> > > > > > agony so you drive to the local ER. The ER staff calls your
> > insurance
> > > > > > company/HMO for authorization only to be denied because it is not a
> > > > > > "life-threatening emergency".  What do they instruct the ER to tell
> > > > > > the parents?  Give the child some Tylenol and go to the walk-in
> > clinic
> > > > > > at 8:00 AM.
>
> > > > > > Vomiting your brains out in the middle of the night because of food
> > > > > > poisoning?  Go to the ER because you can't stop vomiting...DENIED!
> >  Go
> > > > > > to your primary physician when his office opens.
>
> > > > > > Your child has a high fever.  You can't seem to bring it down.
> >  Unless
> > > > > > the fever is over 101 when you arrive at the ER, you will be
> > DENIED!
> > > > > > Go to your pediatrician's office when it opens in the morning.
>
> > > > > > Get into a car accident and you need to be admitted to the
> > hospital?
> > > > > > You are 100 miles from your insurance/HMO's contracted
> > > > > > hospital...DENIED.  Unless you are critical and unstable, you are
> > put
> > > > > > into an ambulance and transferred to your contracted hospital.
> >  Most
> > > > > > of the time, your contracted hospital is not a Trauma Center so you
> > > > > > will get inexperienced and substandard care.
>
> > > > > > Gee, in any of these scenarios, if the patient would of had
> > government
> > > > > > insurance (Medi-Care or Medicaid), they would have been APPROVED.
> >  In
> > > > > > fact, the ER would not even be required to call first for
> > > > > > authorization.
>
> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------­­­-------------------
>
> > > > > > Don't listen to people like Kama, OhioMark, Lew, LadyBug, and Ms.
> > > > > > Con...they couldn't be more WRONG.  They have no real world
> > > > > > experience.  They are only sounding boards of the pundits.   Nearly
> > > > > > all nurses and doctors support the "public option" (as does the
> > > > > > American Medical Association).  We have a perfect opportunity to
> > > > > > reform healthcare and I have a feeling we are going to give in to
> > the
> > > > > > Republicans and BLOW IT!- Hide quoted text -
>
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