P. S. I know what it is, It started in Korea. On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 2:55 PM, lbiglee75 <[email protected]> wrote: > Planol and Keith, when we first went into Afghanistan and Iraq and we > wasn't concerned about collateral damage. How many lives did we lose? > But when we became political correct how many have we lost? Two > countries which can blow each other up, but we have to be careful. > > On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 2:24 PM, Keith In Tampa <[email protected]> > wrote: >> Well PlainOl', listen to Dr. Paul's foreign policy agenda, and tell me >> where you hear anything regarding such a plan as massive aerial >> assaults......Dr. Paul would make an excellent Secretary of Treasury, but >> Commander In Chief, he ain't! >> >> >> >> On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 2:08 PM, plainolamerican <[email protected]> >> wrote: >>> >>> The fact is that there are fundamentalist Muslims who believe in >>> dar-al-islam that control many of the Nation-States within the Middle >>> East, >>> and these individuals want to see Western Civilization, (to include >>> the >>> United States, first and foremost) gone, done away with, destroyed, >>> G'Nite. >>> --- >>> that's true ... >>> >>> Doesn't have a thing to do with Nation Building, it has to do with >>> self >>> preservation >>> --- >>> to invade, destroy, and rebuild muzzy countries in the name of >>> democracy in insanity. >>> solution: find the terrorists, kill them, and then bring the troops >>> home. >>> we do NOT have a responsibility to rebuild what is destroyed nor do we >>> owe their innocent civilians squat!!! >>> in fact, they owe US an apology and should repay US for the expense of >>> getting rid of their scum >>> >>> massive aerial assaults work best and saves US lives >>> >>> >>> On Aug 16, 12:58 pm, Keith In Tampa <[email protected]> wrote: >>> > Anyone who thinks that there are just a few misplaced Muslims, and the >>> > World >>> > of Islam is still the religion of peace is out of touch as much as >>> > Stinky >>> > is. >>> > >>> > The fact is that there are fundamentalist Muslims who believe in >>> > dar-al-islam that control many of the Nation-States within the Middle >>> > East, >>> > and these individuals want to see Western Civilization, (to include the >>> > United States, first and foremost) gone, done away with, destroyed, >>> > G'Nite. >>> > >>> > Doesn't have a thing to do with Nation Building, it has to do with self >>> > preservation. >>> > >>> > Anyone who doesn't understand this, including Ron Paul, is flat out >>> > misplaced. *See* Whoopie Goldberg, Babs Streisand, Rosie O'Donnell, >>> > Sean >>> > Penn, Barack Obama, Ron Paul, and a host of other confused Moonbats >>> > and >>> > Crackpots. >>> > >>> > On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 1:44 PM, plainolamerican >>> > <[email protected]>wrote: >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > > It is the naivity of Paul's foreign policy and his lack of supporting >>> > > a >>> > > strong national defense that is troublesome >>> > > ---- >>> > > pulling US troops home is not naive nor does it weaken national >>> > > defense >>> > >>> > > those in favor of nation building and US intervention would disagree >>> > >>> > > On Aug 16, 6:20 am, Keith In Tampa <[email protected]> wrote: >>> > > > I think York aptly describes the issue, but to categorize "GOP >>> > > Operatives" >>> > > > as fearing Ron Paul is a bit of a stretch. >>> > >>> > > > First, I am not sure what a "Repulbican Operative" is. Is it >>> > > > someone who >>> > > > campaigns, supports, and even financially contributes to the Party? >>> > > Then I >>> > > > would qualify as an "Operative" and I don't fear Ron Paul nor do I >>> > > > fear >>> > > his >>> > > > supporters, including the crackpot supporters. I drink beer with >>> > > > them, >>> > > go >>> > > > to Church with them, play poker (when I am in Tampa) with them, and >>> > > > when >>> > > > the subject of politics comes up, try to show them the fallacy of >>> > > > Paul's >>> > > > ways. Most of the Paul supporters I know agree, with a hand full, >>> > > > that >>> > > can >>> > > > best be described as, "Crackpots". >>> > >>> > > > The truth is, that most all Americans agree with a smaller, fiscally >>> > > > responsible government that adheres to the Constitution of the >>> > > > United >>> > > > States. Paul stands for that, as does the Tea Party movement, which >>> > > again, >>> > > > much to the dismay of Democrats and far left extremists, I believe >>> > > > is >>> > > the >>> > > > majority of this Nation. >>> > >>> > > > It is the naivity of Paul's foreign policy and his lack of >>> > > > supporting a >>> > > > strong national defense that is troublesome and therefore >>> > > > disqualifying. >>> > >>> > > > On Mon, Aug 15, 2011 at 9:53 PM, MJ <[email protected]> wrote: >>> > >>> > > > > *GOP operatives fear lasting Ron Paul problem >>> > > > > *By: Byron York >>> > > > > 08/15/11 8:05 PM >>> > >>> > > > > Republicans dodged a big bullet at the Ames straw poll on >>> > > > > Saturday. If >>> > > just >>> > > > > 77 of the 4,283 people who voted for Rep. Michele Bachmann had >>> > > > > voted >>> > > instead >>> > > > > for Rep. Ron Paul, then Paul would have won the straw poll. In the >>> > > > > end, >>> > > > > Bachmann came out ahead with 28.55 percent of the vote to Paul's >>> > > > > 27.65 >>> > > > > percent. No other candidate was close. >>> > >>> > > > > Some well-connected Iowa Republicans viewed it as a bullet dodged >>> > > because >>> > > > > they had long feared the possibility of a Paul victory. "It would >>> > > > > pour >>> > > jet >>> > > > > fuel on the East Coast narrative that Iowa is just too nutty to >>> > > > > have >>> > > such an >>> > > > > important place in the nominating process," says one of those >>> > > Republicans. >>> > > > > Before the poll, they saw a Paul-Bachmann one-two finish as the >>> > > worst-case >>> > > > > scenario. They ended up with Bachmann-Paul -- a result >>> > > > > establishment >>> > > > > Republicans viewed as somewhat better than the other way around -- >>> > > > > and >>> > > got a >>> > > > > lot of the criticism anyway. >>> > >>> > > > > The criticism came not just from Democrats or so-called Eastern >>> > > > > elite >>> > > RINOs >>> > > > > (Republicans In Name Only). "Ron Paul is going to destroy this >>> > > > > party if >>> > > they >>> > > > > keep him in there," said Rush Limbaugh the day after the Aug. 11 >>> > > > > Fox >>> > > > > News-Washington Examiner debate in Ames. "This is nuts on parade." >>> > >>> > > > > Key Republicans in Iowa -- and around the country, too -- are >>> > > > > genuinely >>> > > > > baffled by the Paul phenomenon. They understand (and share) many >>> > > > > of >>> > > Paul's >>> > > > > views on the Constitution and limiting the size and scope of the >>> > > federal >>> > > > > government, even if they think Paul sometimes goes too far. What >>> > > perplexes >>> > > > > them is Paul's take on foreign policy, especially the threat of >>> > > > > Iran >>> > > > > acquiring nuclear weapons. >>> > >>> > > > > "Why wouldn't it be natural that they might want a weapon?" Paul >>> > > > > asked >>> > > at >>> > > > > the Fox-Examiner debate. "They'd be given more respect. ... What's >>> > > > > so >>> > > > > terribly bad about this?" As for sanctions against Iran, Paul >>> > > > > said, >>> > > > > "Countries that you put sanctions on, you are more likely to fight >>> > > them. ... >>> > > > > I say stay out of their internal business." >>> > >>> > > > > The crowd in Iowa State University's Stephens Auditorium included >>> > > > > a >>> > > large >>> > > > > group of Paul supporters who broke into loud cheers every time >>> > > > > Paul >>> > > spoke, >>> > > > > including when he gave his views on Iran. "That audience goes >>> > > > > nuts," >>> > > > > Limbaugh said the next day. "I think, 'Oh, my gosh, what am I >>> > > > > watching >>> > > > > here?' " >>> > >>> > > > > It's likely most Republicans agree with Limbaugh's assessment, and >>> > > Paul's >>> > > > > ability to say such things and still remain a force in the party >>> > > confuses >>> > > > > many in the GOP. "What part of his support is attributable to a >>> > > different >>> > > > > world view, and what part is attributable to the economic >>> > > > > libertarian >>> > > world >>> > > > > view?" asks the well-connected Republican, who freely admits he >>> > > > > doesn't >>> > > know >>> > > > > the answer. >>> > >>> > > > > No one fears that Paul will walk away with the Republican >>> > > > > nomination. >>> > > But >>> > > > > with a strong core of supporters, he has the means to stay in the >>> > > > > race >>> > > > > nearly as long as he wants. That core support also earns him a >>> > > > > spot in >>> > > > > high-profile debates. To qualify for the Fox-Examiner debate, for >>> > > example, >>> > > > > candidates had to have at least 1 percent support in five national >>> > > polls. >>> > > > > Paul qualified with plenty of room to spare; in the most recent >>> > > > > RealClearPolitics average of polls, he has 9 percent support, well >>> > > ahead of >>> > > > > fellow candidates Herman Cain, Newt Gingrich, Jon Huntsman, Rick >>> > > Santorum, >>> > > > > and, until his withdrawal from the race Sunday, Tim Pawlenty. >>> > >>> > > > > Paul also has enough money to do what he wants. He reported >>> > > > > raising >>> > > $4.5 >>> > > > > million in the second quarter of this year, with about $3 million >>> > > > > in >>> > > the >>> > > > > bank. Since he has decided to retire from the House, he can also >>> > > > > spend >>> > > > > unused funds raised for congressional campaigns. >>> > >>> > > > > Speaking of retirement -- one aspect of the Paul phenomenon that >>> > > > > has >>> > > > > received little attention so far is his age. Born in 1935, he will >>> > > > > be >>> > > 77 >>> > > > > years old on Inauguration Day 2013 -- the same age Ronald Reagan >>> > > > > was >>> > > when he >>> > > > > left the White House after serving two terms. If Paul were elected >>> > > > > and >>> > > > > re-elected, he'd be 85 at the end of his time in the White House. >>> > > > > Even >>> > > > > though Americans are living longer, most people would probably >>> > > > > agree >>> > > that's >>> > > > > too old for a president. >>> > >>> > > > > But the Paul campaign isn't really about the practical possibility >>> > > > > that >>> > > he >>> > > > > might become president. It's more about Paul's supporters forcing >>> > > > > the >>> > > larger >>> > > > > political establishment to acknowledge that he's right. "The day >>> > > > > will >>> > > come >>> > > > > soon when candidate Paul will get his due," tweeted one supporter >>> > > recently. >>> > > > > "Blowback is gonna be a b---h." >>> > >>> > > > > Of course, most Republicans don't believe that. But Paul commands >>> > > enough >>> > > > > support to make his presence known all the way through next year. >>> > >>> > > > >>> > > > > >http://washingtonexaminer.com/politics/2011/08/gop-operatives-fear-la. >>> > > .. >>> > >>> > > > > -- >>> > > > > Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. >>> > > > > For options & help >>> > > > > seehttp://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum >>> > >>> > > > > * Visit our other community athttp://www.PoliticalForum.com/ >>> > > > > * It's active and moderated. 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