You know what is so sad is that every elected official know the truth and is willing to turn their backs to the truth.
On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 3:13 PM, plainolamerican <[email protected]> wrote: > because there shouldn't be one > > Most people assume that the Federal Reserve Bank is federal--that is, > part of the united States' government. However, the Ninth Circuit > Court put that issue to rest in 1982 when they adjudicated: > > "Examining the organization and function of the Federal Reserve Banks, > and applying the relevant factors, we conclude that the Reserve Banks > are not federal instrumentalities for purposes of the FTCA, but are > independent, privately-owned and locally controlled > corporations." [Lewis vs. U.S., 680 F. 2d 1239, 1241] > > "We have in this country one of the most corrupt institutions the > world has ever known. I refer to the Federal Reserve Board and the > Federal Reserve Banks. Some people think the Federal Reserve Banks > are U.S. government institutions. They are not government > institutions. They are private credit monopolies; domestic swindlers, > rich and predatory money lenders which prey upon the people of the > united States for the benefit of themselves and their foreign > customers. The Federal Reserve Banks are the agents of the foreign > central banks. The truth is the Federal Reserve Board has usurped the > Government of the United States by the arrogant credit monopoly which > operates the Federal Reserve Board." [Congressman Louis T. McFadden, > Chairman of the House Banking & Currency Committee, speech on the > floor of the House of Representatives, June 10, 1932] > > "In the united States we have, in effect, two governments....We have > the duly constituted Government....Then we have an independent, > uncontrolled and uncoordinated government in the Federal Reserve > System, operating the money powers which are reserved to Congress by > the Constitution." [Congressman Wright Patman, Chairman of the House > Banking & Currency Committee, speech on the House floor, 1967] > > "Most Americans have no real understanding of the operation of the > international money lenders....The accounts of the Federal Reserve > System have never been audited. It operates outside the control of > Congress and....manipulates the credit of the united > States." [Senator Barry Goldwater] > > "Federal Reserve Notes are illegal" [US Representative Dr. Ron Paul] > > "The Central Bank is an institution of the most deadly hostility > existing against the principles and form of our Constitution. I am an > enemy to all banks, discounting bills or notes for anything but coin. > If the American people allow private banks to control the issuance of > their currency, first by inflation and then by deflation, the banks > and corporations that will grow up around them will deprive the people > of all their property until their children will wake up homeless on > the continent their fathers conquered." [Thomas Jefferson] > > > > On Aug 16, 2:00 pm, Keith In Tampa <[email protected]> wrote: >> With regard to Dr. Paul being Chairman of the Federal Reserve....If >> "Secretary of The Treasury Paul" gets his way, there won't be a Federal >> Reserve! >> >> On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 2:58 PM, plainolamerican >> <[email protected]>wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > when we first went into Afghanistan and Iraq and we >> > wasn't concerned about collateral damage >> > --- >> > and still shouldn't be >> >> > we owe them nothing >> >> > let them rebuild themselves >> >> > On Aug 16, 1:55 pm, lbiglee75 <[email protected]> wrote: >> > > Planol and Keith, when we first went into Afghanistan and Iraq and we >> > > wasn't concerned about collateral damage. How many lives did we lose? >> > > But when we became political correct how many have we lost? Two >> > > countries which can blow each other up, but we have to be careful. >> >> > > On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 2:24 PM, Keith In Tampa <[email protected]> >> > wrote: >> >> > > > Well PlainOl', listen to Dr. Paul's foreign policy agenda, and tell me >> > > > where you hear anything regarding such a plan as massive aerial >> > > > assaults......Dr. Paul would make an excellent Secretary of Treasury, >> > but >> > > > Commander In Chief, he ain't! >> >> > > > On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 2:08 PM, plainolamerican < >> > [email protected]> >> > > > wrote: >> >> > > >> The fact is that there are fundamentalist Muslims who believe in >> > > >> dar-al-islam that control many of the Nation-States within the Middle >> > > >> East, >> > > >> and these individuals want to see Western Civilization, (to include >> > > >> the >> > > >> United States, first and foremost) gone, done away with, destroyed, >> > > >> G'Nite. >> > > >> --- >> > > >> that's true ... >> >> > > >> Doesn't have a thing to do with Nation Building, it has to do with >> > > >> self >> > > >> preservation >> > > >> --- >> > > >> to invade, destroy, and rebuild muzzy countries in the name of >> > > >> democracy in insanity. >> > > >> solution: find the terrorists, kill them, and then bring the troops >> > > >> home. >> > > >> we do NOT have a responsibility to rebuild what is destroyed nor do we >> > > >> owe their innocent civilians squat!!! >> > > >> in fact, they owe US an apology and should repay US for the expense of >> > > >> getting rid of their scum >> >> > > >> massive aerial assaults work best and saves US lives >> >> > > >> On Aug 16, 12:58 pm, Keith In Tampa <[email protected]> wrote: >> > > >> > Anyone who thinks that there are just a few misplaced Muslims, and >> > the >> > > >> > World >> > > >> > of Islam is still the religion of peace is out of touch as much as >> > > >> > Stinky >> > > >> > is. >> >> > > >> > The fact is that there are fundamentalist Muslims who believe in >> > > >> > dar-al-islam that control many of the Nation-States within the >> > Middle >> > > >> > East, >> > > >> > and these individuals want to see Western Civilization, (to include >> > the >> > > >> > United States, first and foremost) gone, done away with, >> > destroyed, >> > > >> > G'Nite. >> >> > > >> > Doesn't have a thing to do with Nation Building, it has to do with >> > self >> > > >> > preservation. >> >> > > >> > Anyone who doesn't understand this, including Ron Paul, is flat >> > out >> > > >> > misplaced. *See* Whoopie Goldberg, Babs Streisand, Rosie >> > O'Donnell, >> > > >> > Sean >> > > >> > Penn, Barack Obama, Ron Paul, and a host of other confused >> > Moonbats >> > > >> > and >> > > >> > Crackpots. >> >> > > >> > On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 1:44 PM, plainolamerican >> > > >> > <[email protected]>wrote: >> >> > > >> > > It is the naivity of Paul's foreign policy and his lack of >> > supporting >> > > >> > > a >> > > >> > > strong national defense that is troublesome >> > > >> > > ---- >> > > >> > > pulling US troops home is not naive nor does it weaken national >> > > >> > > defense >> >> > > >> > > those in favor of nation building and US intervention would >> > disagree >> >> > > >> > > On Aug 16, 6:20 am, Keith In Tampa <[email protected]> >> > wrote: >> > > >> > > > I think York aptly describes the issue, but to categorize "GOP >> > > >> > > Operatives" >> > > >> > > > as fearing Ron Paul is a bit of a stretch. >> >> > > >> > > > First, I am not sure what a "Repulbican Operative" is. Is it >> > > >> > > > someone who >> > > >> > > > campaigns, supports, and even financially contributes to the >> > Party? >> > > >> > > Then I >> > > >> > > > would qualify as an "Operative" and I don't fear Ron Paul nor do >> > I >> > > >> > > > fear >> > > >> > > his >> > > >> > > > supporters, including the crackpot supporters. I drink beer >> > with >> > > >> > > > them, >> > > >> > > go >> > > >> > > > to Church with them, play poker (when I am in Tampa) with them, >> > and >> > > >> > > > when >> > > >> > > > the subject of politics comes up, try to show them the fallacy >> > of >> > > >> > > > Paul's >> > > >> > > > ways. Most of the Paul supporters I know agree, with a hand >> > full, >> > > >> > > > that >> > > >> > > can >> > > >> > > > best be described as, "Crackpots". >> >> > > >> > > > The truth is, that most all Americans agree with a smaller, >> > fiscally >> > > >> > > > responsible government that adheres to the Constitution of the >> > > >> > > > United >> > > >> > > > States. Paul stands for that, as does the Tea Party movement, >> > which >> > > >> > > again, >> > > >> > > > much to the dismay of Democrats and far left extremists, I >> > believe >> > > >> > > > is >> > > >> > > the >> > > >> > > > majority of this Nation. >> >> > > >> > > > It is the naivity of Paul's foreign policy and his lack of >> > > >> > > > supporting a >> > > >> > > > strong national defense that is troublesome and therefore >> > > >> > > > disqualifying. >> >> > > >> > > > On Mon, Aug 15, 2011 at 9:53 PM, MJ <[email protected]> >> > wrote: >> >> > > >> > > > > *GOP operatives fear lasting Ron Paul problem >> > > >> > > > > *By: Byron York >> > > >> > > > > 08/15/11 8:05 PM >> >> > > >> > > > > Republicans dodged a big bullet at the Ames straw poll on >> > > >> > > > > Saturday. If >> > > >> > > just >> > > >> > > > > 77 of the 4,283 people who voted for Rep. Michele Bachmann had >> > > >> > > > > voted >> > > >> > > instead >> > > >> > > > > for Rep. Ron Paul, then Paul would have won the straw poll. In >> > the >> > > >> > > > > end, >> > > >> > > > > Bachmann came out ahead with 28.55 percent of the vote to >> > Paul's >> > > >> > > > > 27.65 >> > > >> > > > > percent. No other candidate was close. >> >> > > >> > > > > Some well-connected Iowa Republicans viewed it as a bullet >> > dodged >> > > >> > > because >> > > >> > > > > they had long feared the possibility of a Paul victory. "It >> > would >> > > >> > > > > pour >> > > >> > > jet >> > > >> > > > > fuel on the East Coast narrative that Iowa is just too nutty >> > to >> > > >> > > > > have >> > > >> > > such an >> > > >> > > > > important place in the nominating process," says one of those >> > > >> > > Republicans. >> > > >> > > > > Before the poll, they saw a Paul-Bachmann one-two finish as >> > the >> > > >> > > worst-case >> > > >> > > > > scenario. They ended up with Bachmann-Paul -- a result >> > > >> > > > > establishment >> > > >> > > > > Republicans viewed as somewhat better than the other way >> > around -- >> > > >> > > > > and >> > > >> > > got a >> > > >> > > > > lot of the criticism anyway. >> >> > > >> > > > > The criticism came not just from Democrats or so-called >> > Eastern >> > > >> > > > > elite >> > > >> > > RINOs >> > > >> > > > > (Republicans In Name Only). "Ron Paul is going to destroy this >> > > >> > > > > party if >> > > >> > > they >> > > >> > > > > keep him in there," said Rush Limbaugh the day after the Aug. >> > 11 >> > > >> > > > > Fox >> > > >> > > > > News-Washington Examiner debate in Ames. "This is nuts on >> > parade." >> >> > > >> > > > > Key Republicans in Iowa -- and around the country, too -- are >> > > >> > > > > genuinely >> > > >> > > > > baffled by the Paul phenomenon. They understand (and share) >> > many >> > > >> > > > > of >> > > >> > > Paul's >> > > >> > > > > views on the Constitution and limiting the size and scope of >> > the >> > > >> > > federal >> > > >> > > > > government, even if they think Paul sometimes goes too far. >> > What >> > > >> > > perplexes >> > > >> > > > > them is Paul's take on foreign policy, especially the threat >> > of >> > > >> > > > > Iran >> > > >> > > > > acquiring nuclear weapons. >> >> > > >> > > > > "Why wouldn't it be natural that they might want a weapon?" >> > Paul >> > > >> > > > > asked >> > > >> > > at >> > > >> > > > > the Fox-Examiner debate. "They'd be given more respect. ... >> > What's >> > > >> > > > > so >> > > >> > > > > terribly bad about this?" As for sanctions against Iran, Paul >> > > >> > > > > said, >> > > >> > > > > "Countries that you put sanctions on, you are more likely to >> > fight >> > > >> > > them. ... >> > > >> > > > > I say stay out of their internal business." >> >> > > >> > > > > The crowd in Iowa State University's Stephens Auditorium >> > included >> > > >> > > > > a >> > > >> > > large >> > > >> > > > > group of Paul supporters who broke into loud cheers every time >> > > >> > > > > Paul >> > > >> > > spoke, >> > > >> > > > > including when he gave his views on Iran. "That audience goes >> > > >> > > > > nuts," >> > > >> > > > > Limbaugh said the next day. "I think, 'Oh, my gosh, what am I >> > > >> > > > > watching >> > > >> > > > > here?' " >> >> > > >> > > > > It's likely most Republicans agree with Limbaugh's assessment, >> > and >> > > >> > > Paul's >> > > >> > > > > ability to say such things and still remain a force in the >> > party >> > > >> > > confuses >> > > >> > > > > many in the GOP. "What part of his support is attributable to >> > a >> > > >> > > different >> > > >> > > > > world view, and what part is attributable to the economic >> > > >> > > > > libertarian >> > > >> > > world >> > > >> > > > > view?" asks the well-connected Republican, who freely admits >> > he >> > > >> > > > > doesn't >> > > >> > > know >> > > >> > > > > the answer. >> >> > > >> > > > > No one fears that Paul will walk away with the Republican >> > > >> > > > > nomination. >> > > >> > > But >> > > >> > > > > with a strong core of supporters, he has the means to stay in >> > the >> > > >> > > > > race >> > > >> > > > > nearly as long as he wants. That core support also earns him a >> > > >> > > > > spot in >> > > >> > > > > high-profile debates. To qualify for the Fox-Examiner debate, >> > for >> > > >> > > example, >> > > >> > > > > candidates had to have at least 1 percent support in five >> > national >> > > >> > > polls. >> > > >> > > > > Paul qualified with plenty of room to spare; in the most >> > recent >> > > >> > > > > RealClearPolitics average of polls, he has 9 percent support, >> > well >> > > >> > > ahead of >> > > >> > > > > fellow candidates Herman Cain, Newt Gingrich, Jon Huntsman, >> > Rick >> > > >> > > Santorum, >> > > >> > > > > and, until his withdrawal from the race Sunday, Tim Pawlenty. >> >> > > >> > > > > Paul also has enough money to do what he wants. He reported >> > > >> > > > > raising >> > > >> > > $4.5 >> > > >> > > > > million in the second quarter of this year, with about $3 >> > million >> > > >> > > > > in >> > > >> > > the >> > > >> > > > > bank. Since he has decided to retire from the House, he can >> > also >> > > >> > > > > spend >> > > >> > > > > unused funds raised for congressional campaigns. >> >> > > >> > > > > Speaking of retirement -- one aspect of the Paul phenomenon >> > that >> > > >> > > > > has >> > > >> > > > > received little attention so far is his age. Born in 1935, he >> > will >> > > >> > > > > be >> > > >> > > 77 >> > > >> > > > > years old on Inauguration Day 2013 -- the same age Ronald >> > Reagan >> > > >> > > > > was >> > > >> > > when he >> > > >> > > > > left the White House after serving two terms. If Paul were >> > elected >> > > >> > > > > and >> > > >> > > > > re-elected, he'd be 85 at the end of his time in the White >> > House. >> > > >> > > > > Even >> > > >> > > > > though Americans are living longer, most people would probably >> > > >> > > > > agree >> > > >> > > that's >> > > >> > > > > too old for a president. >> >> > > ... >> >> > > read more » >> >> > -- >> > Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. >> > For options & help seehttp://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum >> >> > * Visit our other community athttp://www.PoliticalForum.com/ >> > * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. >> > * Read the latest breaking news, and more. > > -- > Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. > For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum > > * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ > * It's active and moderated. 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