As an aside, to confirm Rob's earlier assertion: because core-list
virtualizes the view items associated with the data, you shouldn't rely on
directly manipulating the DOM created by core-list.  Drag-and-drop
reordering will likely need to be a feature of core-list itself;  there are
a few higher priority features of core-list that we'll need to land before
any work would start on that.

Thanks,

Kevin

On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 4:08 PM, Anders Holmgren <[email protected]>
wrote:

> Thanks Rob
>
> What if the example looked more like http://jsbin.com/giveliwezuyu/1/edit
> would you still expect it to work?
>
> This is more like my real example
>
> On Wednesday, 15 October 2014 03:59:13 UTC+11, Rob Dodson wrote:
>>
>> no I was just showing how to disable user-select based on your initial
>> question
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 12:01 AM, Anders Holmgren <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks Rob. Am I supposed to be able to drag the rows in the example? If
>>> so it's not working for me (chrome or firefox)
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, 14 October 2014 11:07:45 UTC+11, Rob Dodson wrote:
>>>>
>>>> You should be able to do core-list /deep/ [draggable] to disable
>>>> user-select
>>>>
>>>> ex: http://jsbin.com/xiqava/3/edit
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 4:57 PM, Anders Holmgren <[email protected]>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Thanks Günter. Yes I agree the problem seems to revolve around the
>>>>> fact that I'm trying to style the distributed nodes of the content 
>>>>> element.
>>>>> However, it would greatly surprise me if this was not possible. It would
>>>>> seem to me a major oversight in web components / polymer if that wasn't
>>>>> possible.
>>>>>
>>>>> Incidentally I have a temporary partial workaround / hack by including
>>>>> a containing div in the test-row and making that draggable. It works but 
>>>>> it
>>>>> means the draggable-list-item can hardly be considered a reusable 
>>>>> component.
>>>>>
>>>>> Surely this shouldn't be necessary.
>>>>>
>>>>> Is Eric Bidelman on this list? Surely he knows whether this is or
>>>>> isn't possible with the web component css selectors and polymer.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Monday, 13 October 2014 22:19:55 UTC+11, Günter Zöchbauer wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I didn't have a very detailed look at the code but I guess it should
>>>>>> work the way that you drag-n-drop the element and when it is dropped you
>>>>>> modify the model to reflect the new item order.
>>>>>> The problem I see here is that the [draggable] is on a tag in the
>>>>>> shadowDOM and the text is in the content
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <polymer-element name="xx-yy">
>>>>>>   <template>
>>>>>>     <div [draggable="true"]>
>>>>>>       <!-- The text is projected into this content tag. The text
>>>>>> isn't selectable but also not draggable, Drag only works if it is
>>>>>> started outside of the text/content (on the div above) -->
>>>>>>
>>>>>>       <content></content>
>>>>>>     </div>
>>>>>>   </template>
>>>>>> </polymer-element>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sunday, October 12, 2014 9:42:30 PM UTC+2, Rob Dodson wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> + Kevin, who can correct me
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm imagining that this could be a thorny problem. The core-list is
>>>>>>> generated by a model and we usually recommend against rearranging DOM
>>>>>>> that's output from a model. Instead it's preferable to manipulate the 
>>>>>>> model
>>>>>>> and let it re-render. core-list, in particular, is a virtualized list
>>>>>>> designed for lots and lots of rows, so moving its DOM around could cause
>>>>>>> issues.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sun, Oct 12, 2014 at 12:01 PM, Anders Holmgren <
>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The issue I am trying to address is the fact that I can't drag the
>>>>>>>> item when the mouse is over the text. In Eric's original example he 
>>>>>>>> solved
>>>>>>>> this via the css rule
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> [draggable] {
>>>>>>>>   -moz-user-select: none;
>>>>>>>>   -khtml-user-select: none;
>>>>>>>>   -webkit-user-select: none;
>>>>>>>>   user-select: none;
>>>>>>>> }
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> However, when I try to adapt this example to use web components I
>>>>>>>> am not able to get such a css rule working. Now the text items are 
>>>>>>>> coming
>>>>>>>> via the distributed nodes of the *content* element. That is why I
>>>>>>>> am using */deep/* to try to bust through to the distributed nodes.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The reason I am interested in doing this is because I am trying to
>>>>>>>> build a reusable web component that allows me to drag and drop items 
>>>>>>>> in a
>>>>>>>> *core-list*
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So for example if you have a core-list like
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> <core-list-dart height="100" data="{{data}}">
>>>>>>>>   <template>
>>>>>>>>     <test-row data="{{self}}"></test-row>
>>>>>>>>   </template>
>>>>>>>>  </core-list-dart>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Then I want to be able to make the rows draggable so I can reorder
>>>>>>>> them. I've tried several different options. The most recent is this 
>>>>>>>> form
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> <core-list-dart height="100" data="{{data}}">
>>>>>>>>   <template>
>>>>>>>>     <draggable-list-item>
>>>>>>>>       <test-row data="{{self}}"></test-row>
>>>>>>>>     </draggable-list-item>
>>>>>>>>   </template>
>>>>>>>> </core-list-dart>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Where I have a reusable polymer element *draggable-list-item* that
>>>>>>>> encapsulates all the drag and drop logic
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> cheers
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Anders
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Monday, 13 October 2014 04:19:00 UTC+11, Elliott Sprehn wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Your selectors look backwards. I think you want * /deep/
>>>>>>>>> [draggable] { ... }; Note that using universal attribute selectors 
>>>>>>>>> like
>>>>>>>>> that with /deep/ rules is not particularly good for performance, 
>>>>>>>>> you'd be
>>>>>>>>> better off putting it inside the components that you're using the 
>>>>>>>>> draggable
>>>>>>>>> attribute in.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Oct 11, 2014 at 5:23 PM, Anders Holmgren <
>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Do I need to be using something like polyfill-next-selector or
>>>>>>>>>> shim-shadowdom? I tried putting shim-shadowdom everywhere but no 
>>>>>>>>>> effect.
>>>>>>>>>> I'm not sure how I would express the polyfill-next-selector in this 
>>>>>>>>>> case.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Interestingly I get totally different behaviour in this example
>>>>>>>>>> with the latest chrome, firefox and safari
>>>>>>>>>> - chrome simply doesn't let me drag if I try to drag on the text
>>>>>>>>>> - firefox actually seems to work
>>>>>>>>>> - safari kinda works but if I drag on the text it shows only the
>>>>>>>>>> text getting dragged
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Any pointers appreciated. I'm kinda desperate here as I've been
>>>>>>>>>> struggling for the better part of a week to get draggable items in
>>>>>>>>>> core-list working. First with core-drag-drop then when I couldn't 
>>>>>>>>>> get that
>>>>>>>>>> to work, going back to native html 5 dnd
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Friday, 10 October 2014 09:42:01 UTC+11, Anders Holmgren wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I'm trying to get the equivalent of Eric Bidelman's
>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.html5rocks.com/en/tutorials/dnd/basics/ working with
>>>>>>>>>>> polymer
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> so in place of
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>     <div id="columns">
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>       <div class="column" draggable="true"><header>Abracadabra
>>>>>>>>>>> </header></div>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>       <div class="column" draggable="true"><header>B</he
>>>>>>>>>>> ader></div>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>       <div class="column" draggable="true"><header>C</he
>>>>>>>>>>> ader></div>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>     </div>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I have
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>  <div id="columns">
>>>>>>>>>>>      <basics-poly>Abracadabra</basics-poly>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>      <basics-poly>B</basics-poly>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>      <basics-poly>C</basics-poly>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>  </div>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>> <polymer-element name="basics-poly">
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>   <template>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>     <style>
>>>>>>>>>>>        ...
>>>>>>>>>>>     </style>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>     <div id="column" class="column" draggable="true">
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>       <header><content></content></header>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>     </div>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>   </template>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>   ...
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> </polymer-element>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> In the original version the following was needed to stop text
>>>>>>>>>>> fields etc from being selectable
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> [draggable] {
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>   -moz-user-select: none;
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>   -khtml-user-select: none;
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>   -webkit-user-select: none;
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>   user-select: none;
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> }
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I can't find the equivalent for polymer / web components. My
>>>>>>>>>>> first attempt was
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> [draggable] /deep/ *{
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> And based on advice from SO (http://stackoverflow.com/ques
>>>>>>>>>>> tions/26271903/preventing-the-contents-of-draggable-polymer-
>>>>>>>>>>> elements-from-being-selectable?noredirect=1#comment41226052_
>>>>>>>>>>> 26271903) I've tried
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> [draggable], [draggable] /deep/ *, [draggable]::content *, [
>>>>>>>>>>> draggable]::content /deep/ * {
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I've tried many other variants too but nothing works
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> What should I set the selector to in this case?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> BTW full source for this example is https://bitbucket.org/ander
>>>>>>>>>>> smholmgren/ah_polymer_stuff/src/7f88d253fe98428e280c1fa4aceada
>>>>>>>>>>> 1792a686e1/test/demo/?at=master
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>    - index.html is non polymer and works
>>>>>>>>>>>    - index_poly.html is the polymer version that doesn't work
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> thanks
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Anders
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