Hello Anders, do you have a working example you can share? Thanks, Chuck

On Wednesday, October 15, 2014 6:42:35 PM UTC-7, Anders Holmgren wrote:
>
> OK thanks for the heads up. It seems to be working in that regard at the 
> moment so if it breaks in the future I'll have to switch to template repeat.
> Mind you I first manipulate the dom while the user drags then on drop I 
> fire an event and update the model. Maybe that's why I get away with it.
>
> Great to hear that you are considering adding dnd to core-list itself. 
> That's really what I want to happen and my current attempts are just a 
> workaround till you implement it.
>
> cheers
> Anders
>
> On Wednesday, 15 October 2014 13:06:55 UTC+11, Kevin Schaaf wrote:
>>
>> As an aside, to confirm Rob's earlier assertion: because core-list 
>> virtualizes the view items associated with the data, you shouldn't rely on 
>> directly manipulating the DOM created by core-list.  Drag-and-drop 
>> reordering will likely need to be a feature of core-list itself;  there are 
>> a few higher priority features of core-list that we'll need to land before 
>> any work would start on that.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Kevin
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 4:08 PM, Anders Holmgren <[email protected]> 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks Rob
>>>
>>> What if the example looked more like 
>>> http://jsbin.com/giveliwezuyu/1/edit would you still expect it to work?
>>>
>>> This is more like my real example
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, 15 October 2014 03:59:13 UTC+11, Rob Dodson wrote:
>>>>
>>>> no I was just showing how to disable user-select based on your initial 
>>>> question
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 12:01 AM, Anders Holmgren <[email protected]
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Thanks Rob. Am I supposed to be able to drag the rows in the example? 
>>>>> If so it's not working for me (chrome or firefox)
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tuesday, 14 October 2014 11:07:45 UTC+11, Rob Dodson wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You should be able to do core-list /deep/ [draggable] to disable 
>>>>>> user-select
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ex: http://jsbin.com/xiqava/3/edit
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 4:57 PM, Anders Holmgren <
>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks Günter. Yes I agree the problem seems to revolve around the 
>>>>>>> fact that I'm trying to style the distributed nodes of the content 
>>>>>>> element. 
>>>>>>> However, it would greatly surprise me if this was not possible. It 
>>>>>>> would 
>>>>>>> seem to me a major oversight in web components / polymer if that wasn't 
>>>>>>> possible.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Incidentally I have a temporary partial workaround / hack by 
>>>>>>> including a containing div in the test-row and making that draggable. 
>>>>>>> It 
>>>>>>> works but it means the draggable-list-item can hardly be considered a 
>>>>>>> reusable component.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Surely this shouldn't be necessary.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Is Eric Bidelman on this list? Surely he knows whether this is or 
>>>>>>> isn't possible with the web component css selectors and polymer.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Monday, 13 October 2014 22:19:55 UTC+11, Günter Zöchbauer wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I didn't have a very detailed look at the code but I guess it 
>>>>>>>> should work the way that you drag-n-drop the element and when it is 
>>>>>>>> dropped 
>>>>>>>> you modify the model to reflect the new item order.
>>>>>>>> The problem I see here is that the [draggable] is on a tag in the 
>>>>>>>> shadowDOM and the text is in the content
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> <polymer-element name="xx-yy">
>>>>>>>>   <template>
>>>>>>>>     <div [draggable="true"]>
>>>>>>>>       <!-- The text is projected into this content tag. The text 
>>>>>>>> isn't selectable but also not draggable, Drag only works if it is 
>>>>>>>> started outside of the text/content (on the div above) -->
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>       <content></content> 
>>>>>>>>     </div>
>>>>>>>>   </template>
>>>>>>>> </polymer-element>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sunday, October 12, 2014 9:42:30 PM UTC+2, Rob Dodson wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> + Kevin, who can correct me
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'm imagining that this could be a thorny problem. The core-list 
>>>>>>>>> is generated by a model and we usually recommend against rearranging 
>>>>>>>>> DOM 
>>>>>>>>> that's output from a model. Instead it's preferable to manipulate the 
>>>>>>>>> model 
>>>>>>>>> and let it re-render. core-list, in particular, is a virtualized list 
>>>>>>>>> designed for lots and lots of rows, so moving its DOM around could 
>>>>>>>>> cause 
>>>>>>>>> issues.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Oct 12, 2014 at 12:01 PM, Anders Holmgren <
>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The issue I am trying to address is the fact that I can't drag 
>>>>>>>>>> the item when the mouse is over the text. In Eric's original example 
>>>>>>>>>> he 
>>>>>>>>>> solved this via the css rule
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> [draggable] {
>>>>>>>>>>   -moz-user-select: none;
>>>>>>>>>>   -khtml-user-select: none;
>>>>>>>>>>   -webkit-user-select: none;
>>>>>>>>>>   user-select: none;
>>>>>>>>>> }
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> However, when I try to adapt this example to use web components I 
>>>>>>>>>> am not able to get such a css rule working. Now the text items are 
>>>>>>>>>> coming 
>>>>>>>>>> via the distributed nodes of the *content* element. That is why 
>>>>>>>>>> I am using */deep/* to try to bust through to the distributed 
>>>>>>>>>> nodes.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The reason I am interested in doing this is because I am trying 
>>>>>>>>>> to build a reusable web component that allows me to drag and drop 
>>>>>>>>>> items in 
>>>>>>>>>> a *core-list*
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> So for example if you have a core-list like
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> <core-list-dart height="100" data="{{data}}"> 
>>>>>>>>>>   <template> 
>>>>>>>>>>     <test-row data="{{self}}"></test-row> 
>>>>>>>>>>   </template> 
>>>>>>>>>>  </core-list-dart>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Then I want to be able to make the rows draggable so I can 
>>>>>>>>>> reorder them. I've tried several different options. The most recent 
>>>>>>>>>> is this 
>>>>>>>>>> form
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> <core-list-dart height="100" data="{{data}}"> 
>>>>>>>>>>   <template> 
>>>>>>>>>>     <draggable-list-item> 
>>>>>>>>>>       <test-row data="{{self}}"></test-row> 
>>>>>>>>>>     </draggable-list-item> 
>>>>>>>>>>   </template> 
>>>>>>>>>> </core-list-dart>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Where I have a reusable polymer element *draggable-list-item* that 
>>>>>>>>>> encapsulates all the drag and drop logic
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> cheers
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Anders
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, 13 October 2014 04:19:00 UTC+11, Elliott Sprehn wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Your selectors look backwards. I think you want * /deep/ 
>>>>>>>>>>> [draggable] { ... }; Note that using universal attribute selectors 
>>>>>>>>>>> like 
>>>>>>>>>>> that with /deep/ rules is not particularly good for performance, 
>>>>>>>>>>> you'd be 
>>>>>>>>>>> better off putting it inside the components that you're using the 
>>>>>>>>>>> draggable 
>>>>>>>>>>> attribute in.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Oct 11, 2014 at 5:23 PM, Anders Holmgren <
>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Do I need to be using something like polyfill-next-selector or 
>>>>>>>>>>>> shim-shadowdom? I tried putting shim-shadowdom everywhere but no 
>>>>>>>>>>>> effect. 
>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not sure how I would express the polyfill-next-selector in 
>>>>>>>>>>>> this case. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Interestingly I get totally different behaviour in this example 
>>>>>>>>>>>> with the latest chrome, firefox and safari
>>>>>>>>>>>> - chrome simply doesn't let me drag if I try to drag on the text
>>>>>>>>>>>> - firefox actually seems to work
>>>>>>>>>>>> - safari kinda works but if I drag on the text it shows only 
>>>>>>>>>>>> the text getting dragged
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Any pointers appreciated. I'm kinda desperate here as I've been 
>>>>>>>>>>>> struggling for the better part of a week to get draggable items in 
>>>>>>>>>>>> core-list working. First with core-drag-drop then when I couldn't 
>>>>>>>>>>>> get that 
>>>>>>>>>>>> to work, going back to native html 5 dnd
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Friday, 10 October 2014 09:42:01 UTC+11, Anders Holmgren 
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm trying to get the equivalent of Eric Bidelman's  
>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.html5rocks.com/en/tutorials/dnd/basics/ working 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> with polymer
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> so in place of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>     <div id="columns">
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>       <div class="column" draggable="true"><header>Abracadabra
>>>>>>>>>>>>> </header></div> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>       <div class="column" draggable="true"><header>B</he
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ader></div> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>       <div class="column" draggable="true"><header>C</he
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ader></div> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>     </div>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>      
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  <div id="columns">
>>>>>>>>>>>>>      <basics-poly>Abracadabra</basics-poly>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>      <basics-poly>B</basics-poly>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>      <basics-poly>C</basics-poly>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  </div>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <polymer-element name="basics-poly">
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>   <template>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>     <style>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>        ...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>     </style>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>     <div id="column" class="column" draggable="true"> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>       <header><content></content></header> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>     </div> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>   </template> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>   ... 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> </polymer-element>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> In the original version the following was needed to stop text 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> fields etc from being selectable 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> [draggable] {
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>   -moz-user-select: none;
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>   -khtml-user-select: none;
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>   -webkit-user-select: none;
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>   user-select: none;
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> }
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I can't find the equivalent for polymer / web components. My 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> first attempt was 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> [draggable] /deep/ *{ 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> And based on advice from SO (http://stackoverflow.com/ques
>>>>>>>>>>>>> tions/26271903/preventing-the-contents-of-draggable-polymer-
>>>>>>>>>>>>> elements-from-being-selectable?noredirect=1#comment41226052_
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 26271903) I've tried
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> [draggable], [draggable] /deep/ *, [draggable]::content *, [
>>>>>>>>>>>>> draggable]::content /deep/ * {
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've tried many other variants too but nothing works
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> What should I set the selector to in this case?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> BTW full source for this example is https://bitbucket.org/
>>>>>>>>>>>>> andersmholmgren/ah_polymer_stuff/src/
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 7f88d253fe98428e280c1fa4aceada1792a686e1/test/demo/?at=master
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>    - index.html is non polymer and works
>>>>>>>>>>>>>    - index_poly.html is the polymer version that doesn't work 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>    
>>>>>>>>>>>>> thanks
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Anders
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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