On 11/12/05, Erica Stolte <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> --- Krow Magnum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > I never thought Welovemacs was very competitive on
> > prices.
> >
> I've found the same and I just look at their special
> sales.
>
> > There is the used upgrade market too. All of the G3
> > cards I have owned
> > were used and I've had pretty good luck. I figure if
> > it's been used
> > and still working it's a good card. You could post a
> > wanted ad on LEM
> > Swaplist or try eBay. Don't get one without a
> > non-DOA guarantee
> > though, but you could save some cash that way.

Buying used upgrades are a little risky but it depends on your budget
or how much you want to spend. The OWC card I linked to is a great
price but it also has a small backside cache and it does make a
difference.
I seem to have better luck with used stuff than new stuff. I either
have a hard time geting what I order, it won't work, or doesn't work.
Plus, I'm cheap when it comes to my toy projects ;-)




>
> Might be a good route to go with except I'm thinking
> it might be more risky.
> >
> > Are you planning on running OS X on it ?
>
> Probably not, that need is satified with my macmini.
> What I really want is a system to run my OS 9
> programs, hence my plans to have two desktop setups
> running.

That's probably best overall that you keep to OS 9 if you have a good
reason. OS X is much better, but not so great when you watch the
spinning beachball a lot. I need two fast computers going side by side
to keep up with what I'm doing and I am usually tinkering with another
Mac on the side. I have a collection of Road Apples that keeps me
sufficiently busy and frustrated when I'm bored.

> >
> > What do you need it to do ?
>
> My plans are either use it as a MU*server or use it it
> to run my OS 9 programs such as photoshop.
>

That will be an excellent use for the PWave. My poor little PWave sits
under a desk not being used. Actually the PWave with the G3 card runs
OS X better than my PTPro with the same card in it. Maybe I should put
it back in active-duty

> > > One thing I have found is that with these old Macs
> > it can get really
> > pricey to run OS X decently. You could get a nice
> > early G4 for $150.00
> > and will always have a better base to build on. Even
> > a Smurf G3 would
> > be a good start and they can both be upgraded when
> > you have the extra
> > cash.
>
> Yeah I agree, probably only reason is for the sake of
> doing it, a challenge.

That's the best reason to do it.

>  I have three computers (powerwave, pismo and macmini)
> and I'd rather get the the two older ones fixed up
> rather then buy a forth computer.
> There's a good chance I might get another hand me down
> computer from family members when they upgrade.
>

What do you think of the Mini ? How long have you had your Mini ?
I've been thinking of getting one to give a little releif to my G3 PB.
Do you run Photoshop on the Mini ?


> > > I have a PowerTower Pro with a G3 400MHz xlr8 card
> > with 704MB of RAM
> > and it's slooooow running Panther. Too slow to do
> > any real work with
> > and have resorted to using it mostly in OS 9 for
> > scanning and
> > printing.
> >
> > I have a Smurf G3 450MHz that kicks the PTPro's ass
> > with about the
> > same RAM. The speed of the logicboard is a big
> > bottleneck on the old
> > Macs. The B&W has twice the bus speed and faster
> > RAM.
> >
> I understand the bus speed is a limiting factor.
>

With a 300MHz or faster G3 card  OS 9 will run well. With a bunch of
RAM, a good video card and a G3 card the system bus gets a good
workout but it will handle it well. And you'll be getting the most out
of your clone.


> > I don't want to discourage upgrading the old
> > PowerWave but if you need
> > a hard working machine I would consider something
> > else for the same
> > cost. I hate to say that because I really like the
> > PowerComputing
> > computers but they are getting outdated.
> >
> I'm keeping the powerwave either way so it's a matter
> of running it as is or adding stuff.
> Getting outdated?...chuckle..Ya don't say...
> I figure if it's been running for ten yrs, must be a
> good computer.

I agree,

The PowerComputing machines are still my favorite Macs. I have a
collection of 7 various PowerComputing machines and all but one still
works. That's pretty good for any computer.
>
> I really wish apple didn't stop licensing apple clones
> because  it would have meant a greater pool of
> resources devoted to making apple products.  Since
> power computing seemed to have been ahead at the time,
> would have been interesting to see where it would have
> gone.
> Unfortunatly this is something I do not like about the
> Apple company is that they went out of their way to be
> a monopoly.
>

Yes, that is a shame. PowerrComputing was the company that got hooked
on computers and of course the OS was a part of it. But I think their
attitude was what got my attention.

I would love to see what would have been if Apple hadn't dropped the
clones, but it really wasn't helping Apple much. From a business
standpoint I think they made the right decision. Not the best choice
for the consumer but they were loosing money. I would have bought an
Apple instead of the PTPro as my first computer anyway because Windoze
was never an option. Windoze and DOS turned me off to computers long
before that and I didn't touch one again until a came across the
Powermacs.

Good Luck on your project.

Ron

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