Dearest MG, Qisai and Fachim, Thanks for the response.
Well, basically my question was very simple, why very less indo female students study in india? So i was simply talking about the quantity wise, not at all the quality wise and that wasn't complicated by any sense. Catcha, now im very much sure that u guys are more complicated than girls:) Plz dont take it seriously by any chance. I didn't go further through it (didnt talk the quality aspect) bcoz i fully realize all the facts about female/women as what already mentioned by MG. Mas MG, ur statement thoroughly sadden me. Huhuhu (weeping..) Obviously males always outnumber females in quality wise, not only in india or indo but in every corner of this planet. Ur few examples made my blood boiled and angry, but im helpless because whatever u stated is true. Women ought to have guts and be bold, not only in academic but more importantly in intellectual aspects. U know, actually women prefer to wait than initiate, we're tend to be reluctant and shy in giving ideas and opinions, especially if it's intellectual-related things. Despite the outstanding female students academically comprise more number than the males in most of educational institutes, not only in social sciences but also in life sciences except in some particular fields such as IT, engineering etc., where hardly females admitted to. Girls, dont u think MG's statement tickle ur pulse, so wake up girls! By the way, I think we dont even have girl president in PPI as now:) MG & Qisai, plz take this into account - sometimes guys are also not ready and welcomed to 'bold girls' including the brilliant guys. Be honest, guys prefer to have obidient, feminine, irrebelous girls than intellectual, determined & independent girls as their wives. They say "its nice to have smart girls as partners/friends but not as wives". Guys feel insecured having a challeging woman, they will say "why u're so bold, u're a girl, u have to be obident, u're my wife now". Thats's may be why Izam often call me "galak", i wonder if im really galak. Oh plz MG knows how caring i'm:) Finally, speaking about Bu Niniek, i dont deserve to be compared to her by any regard, she's amazingly great, bu how r u? She's truly our KBRI's kartini. Missing u so much bu, especially those days when we discussed over so many things including women power-related things, simpely i admire u (u know that), luv u bu, and send my luv to bapak and kids there. cheers, mala --- Qisai <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > My Dear Tante Mala, > > Well, talking about Kartono and Kartini in India, > i'd be in a > position of MG's side. Coz when u said that the > Kartini in India is > outnumbered by the Kartonos, im very much in > perplexed with this > statement. > > As such, MG's opinion is very much relevant with my > difficulty in > understanding ur statement. > > Quantity wise, yes, u r rite that the Kartonos are > the dominant group > in India but in quality, both are, i can say, almost > equal. MG has > given some examples in regard with this situation. > > So actually now im starting to question ur > statement. Cud u be more > elaborate in defining ur statement? Else it will b a > bit difficult > for me or others to get some grounds in building up > arguments. Or > will it remain to be an unanswered question about y > the Kartinis in > general are 'the second gender' in the society? If > this is the > question of y the Kartinis are outnumbered then yes, > to quote MG's > statement, that the key to success is that " kartini > secara umum > kurang punya nyali--syarat terpenting untuk maju dan > berkembang " > > If this is really the key, so y should wait to bulid > it up? > > > Regards, > > Qisa'i > Dept. Political Science, > AMU, Aligarh (UP) India > > > --- In [email protected], Mario Gagho > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > mala, > > > > i dont really get it what u mean by "outnumber" > when > > you say "really wonder why in India, our kartonos > > out-number kartinis drastically" outnumber in > quality > > or quantity? > > > > dg asumsi yg dimaksud adalah dlm segi kualitas, > maka > > pertanyaan berikutnya adalah: kualitas apa? > > > > kualitas seorang akademisi bisa ditengarai dari > dua > > hal: (1) kualitas rapor atau prosentase nilai > (third, > > second, first or distinction, etc); (2) kualitas > diri > > sebagai intelektual yg bermakna seberapa daya > serap si > > mahasiswa dalam menangkap berbagai fenomena yg > > berkembang dan mengaktualisasikannya dlm berbagai > > kegiatan yg mengarah pada kepedulian sosial i.e. > (a) > > pemberian training/pelatihan, dll; (b) kegiatan > > interaktif antar-disiplin ilmu; (c) kegiatan > > interaktif antar-generasi (tua-muda); (d) > aktualiasi > > aspirasi dlm bentuk penulisan (di milis, di media, > > seminar, dll). > > > > > > singkatnya, selagi kondisi ini tidak berubah > kartono > > still gonna outsmart kartini for many years, > decades > > or even centuries to come! > > > > kuncinya, kartini secara umum kurang punya > > nyali--syarat terpenting untuk maju dan > berkembang. > > tentu saja dg pengecualian Mala dan Bu Niek :) > > > > what d' u think guys? > > > > salam, > > > > --- Nirmala Many <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > Kartini Day > > > > > despite the fact that most of > > > our > > > kartinis are brilliant and outstanding students, > > > name > > > it Ayu, Dewi, Heni, Retno etc. Why, why and why? > I > > > would like to know kartonos point of view, may > be > > > MG, > > > Qisai, Izam, Rizqon, Ulis, my dear friend Rizki > and > > > others. > > > > > > Nidya, i miss u dear, study hard and hope to see > u > > > soon. > > > > > > Cheers, > > > Mala > > > > > > PS: > > > Mind it i call u guys kartonos > > > > > > > > > > Mario Gagho > > Agra University > > www.ppi-india.org > > --------- > > A WINNER works harder than a loser and has more > time. > > A LOSER is always "too busy" to do what is > necessary. > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? 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