Mas, pakde Riadi ini lebih suka percaya pada jin2 dan sejenisnya.
Iblis, tuyul, shaitan, gendruwo....
Memang kita yang sudah bernalar ini harus lebih berorientasi pada
upaya2 kemanusiaan, serta menggelar hak azazi manusia dari semua
manusia...
Mungkin ada baiknya baca lagi mengenai sejarah Magna Charta...
Salam
RM D Hadinoto
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Itu cerita dulu, seperti orang Jawa dulu percaya pada Nyai Luru
Kidul. Apakah tidak sebaiknya dianggap saja sebagai cerita dari pada
sebagai pedoman hidup.
>
> Sekarang untuk mengatur kerukunan hidup manusia ada itu deklarasi
PBB tentang HAM dimana dinyatan dalam salah satu paragrafnya : orang
tidak boleh dibedakan berbasiskan agama, kelamin, warna kulit,
keturuan etc.
>
> Deklarasi tsb telah menjadi dasar hukum nasional dan internasional
demi menjamin kehidupan bersama. Celakanya ada pihak-pihak tertentu
yang karena kepentingan mereka berusaha mengabaikan pentingnya faedah
konsesus tsb dalam kehidupan bersama manusia beradab.
>
> >
> > Fr�n: dicky riyadi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Datum: 2004/11/01 Mon PM 08:14:07 CET
> > Till: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > �mne: Re: Sv: [ppiindia] Amerika = Negara Krsiten ?
> >
> >
> >
> > lha bahkan iblis pun ciptaan Allah, tetapi kita dilarang
menyembah iblis, memuja, dan mengikuti ajaran iblis.
> >
> > gay adalah terlarang sejak jaman Nabi Luth A.S., .....jadi setiap
Nabi yg diutus Allah melarang hubungan sejenis...apa pun alasannya..
> >
> > kalo sekedar ciptaan Allah, lha penjahat pun juga ciptaan
Allah... tetapi setiap aktivitas kejahatan harus dilawan...
> >
> > demikian menjadi ujian bagi manusia yg bertakwa....
> >
> >
> >
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > Apakah bukan mahluk ciptaan Alloh?
> >
> > >
> > > Fr�n: partogi samosir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > Datum: 2004/11/01 Mon PM 01:44:26 CET
> > > Till: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > �mne: [ppiindia] Amerika = Negara Krsiten ?
> > >
> > >
> > > dear all,
> > > Sikap gereja di Amerika (yang mengesahkan pernikahan sesama
jenis dan melantik seorang Gay menjadi pendeta) semakin menyadarkan
kita bahwa
> > > Amerika bukan negara Kristen.
> > > Semua aksi dan policy Amerika bukan untuk kepentingan
Kekristenan, tapi untuk kepentingan Amerika sendiri.
> > > togi
> > >
> > > dicky riyadi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > Africans: Pro-Gay U.S. Church Follows New Religion
> > >
> > > Fri Oct 29,11:22 AM ET
> > > Top Stories - Reuters
> > > By Dino Mahtani
> > > LAGOS (Reuters) - African bishops representing a majority of
the world's Anglicans said on Friday North American sections that
embrace homosexuality should be seen as following a different
religion.
> > >
> > > The statement by top Anglican clerics at a landmark conference
in Nigeria to determine their future marked a growing separation
between conservatives and liberals in the 70-million strong church.
> > >
> > > The bishops told their North American counterparts to repent
and ask for forgiveness for approving same-sex marriages and
consecrating Gene Robinson, a divorced homosexual and father of two,
as a bishop.
> > >
> > > "Failure to do so would indicate that they have chosen to 'walk
alone' and follow another religion," said the statement issued by the
senior clerics from across the continent.
> > >
> > > A report earlier this month by senior Anglican clergy urged
North American congregations to ban same-sex marriages and the
ordination of gay clergy, but stepped back from an outright
condemnation of gays in a bid to reconcile the divisions.
> > >
> > > But African church leaders said it did not go far enough and
accused the North American communions of subverting the faith and
imposing a false doctrine.
> > >
> > > African bishops want their continent to become the new
heartland of Anglicanism and Nigerian Primate Peter Akinola, Africa's
top cleric, has said the Church of Nigeria aims to set up branches in
the United States.
> > >
> > > Church leaders in Africa fear if Anglicanism fails to take a
firm stance on homosexuality, its parishioners -- many of whom are
traditionalists who cannot stomach the idea of gay bishops -- will
desert it for evangelical churches or Islam.
> > >
> > > Earlier this week Nigerian President Olusegun Obasanjo -- a
born-again Christian -- backed African bishops in rejecting
homosexuality and called gay tendencies "unbiblical, unnatural and
definitely un-African."
> > >
> > > The bishops gathered in Nigeria have said they would not be
swayed in their rejection of ordaining gays by the lure of church
funds from the liberal West, despite Africa receiving 70 percent of
its funds mainly from America.
> > >
> > > But church leaders say the split between African bishops and
their American counterparts is not so much a geographical division as
a split between the liberal and conservative wings of the church.
> > >
> > > Already, conservatives in the same U.S. Episcopal Church that
ordained Robinson have called his appointment "schismatic." Many of
the more liberal bishops in Africa, particularly from South Africa,
have taken a softer approach to gays and have snubbed the conference
in Nigeria.
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