Kalau Nonya Nyai Loro Kidul itu iblis baik apakah tidak boleh disahabati. Pak Harto yang sudah berkali-kali melakukan ibadah haji dan umoroh malah pergi bertapa ke gunung Kidul yang katanya Nyonya Nyai Loro Kidul bersemayang. Dan memang Pak Harto berhasil berta itu tidak sia-sia, Pak Harto dianugerahi harta kekayaan yang banyak, dibandingkan dengan ummat biasa yang tak pernah bertapa terus saja miskin melarat. Jadi mungkin perlu direnungkan apakah nyonya tsb dicadikan pacar bertapa.
----- Original Message ----- From: "dicky riyadi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2004 2:30 PM Subject: Re: Sv: Re: Sv: [ppiindia] Amerika = Negara Krsiten ? Iblis itu bukan cerita dulu, Mas Ambon manise.....iblis itu tetap ada sampai sekarang... makanya banyak kejahatan... Nyonya luru kidul alias Loro Kidul itu juga keluarga jin, kalo mau tengok silakan datang ke parang tritis.... Homoseksual itu final dalam agama, yakni: haram... ya pelakunya harus dihukum, atau diminta bertobat dan diterapi agar kembali normal.. tapi karena orang suka mengada-ada, jadinya homoseksual dianggap sbg hal yg lumrah.... sama dg seks bebas pun dianggap lumrah.... padahal ya tetap haram dan harus dihukum.. karena hukuman di sini tdk setimpal, ya hukumannya dirapel di neraka kelak.... [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Itu cerita dulu, seperti orang Jawa dulu percaya pada Nyai Luru Kidul. Apakah tidak sebaiknya dianggap saja sebagai cerita dari pada sebagai pedoman hidup. Sekarang untuk mengatur kerukunan hidup manusia ada itu deklarasi PBB tentang HAM dimana dinyatan dalam salah satu paragrafnya : orang tidak boleh dibedakan berbasiskan agama, kelamin, warna kulit, keturuan etc. Deklarasi tsb telah menjadi dasar hukum nasional dan internasional demi menjamin kehidupan bersama. Celakanya ada pihak-pihak tertentu yang karena kepentingan mereka berusaha mengabaikan pentingnya faedah konsesus tsb dalam kehidupan bersama manusia beradab. > > Fr�n: dicky riyadi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Datum: 2004/11/01 Mon PM 08:14:07 CET > Till: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > �mne: Re: Sv: [ppiindia] Amerika = Negara Krsiten ? > > > > lha bahkan iblis pun ciptaan Allah, tetapi kita dilarang menyembah iblis, > memuja, dan mengikuti ajaran iblis. > > gay adalah terlarang sejak jaman Nabi Luth A.S., .....jadi setiap Nabi yg > diutus Allah melarang hubungan sejenis...apa pun alasannya.. > > kalo sekedar ciptaan Allah, lha penjahat pun juga ciptaan Allah... tetapi > setiap aktivitas kejahatan harus dilawan... > > demikian menjadi ujian bagi manusia yg bertakwa.... > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Apakah bukan mahluk ciptaan Alloh? > > > > > Fr�n: partogi samosir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Datum: 2004/11/01 Mon PM 01:44:26 CET > > Till: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > �mne: [ppiindia] Amerika = Negara Krsiten ? > > > > > > dear all, > > Sikap gereja di Amerika (yang mengesahkan pernikahan sesama jenis dan > > melantik seorang Gay menjadi pendeta) semakin menyadarkan kita bahwa > > Amerika bukan negara Kristen. > > Semua aksi dan policy Amerika bukan untuk kepentingan Kekristenan, tapi > > untuk kepentingan Amerika sendiri. > > togi > > > > dicky riyadi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Africans: Pro-Gay U.S. Church Follows New Religion > > > > Fri Oct 29,11:22 AM ET > > Top Stories - Reuters > > By Dino Mahtani > > LAGOS (Reuters) - African bishops representing a majority of the world's > > Anglicans said on Friday North American sections that embrace > > homosexuality should be seen as following a different religion. > > > > The statement by top Anglican clerics at a landmark conference in > > Nigeria to determine their future marked a growing separation between > > conservatives and liberals in the 70-million strong church. > > > > The bishops told their North American counterparts to repent and ask for > > forgiveness for approving same-sex marriages and consecrating Gene > > Robinson, a divorced homosexual and father of two, as a bishop. > > > > "Failure to do so would indicate that they have chosen to 'walk alone' > > and follow another religion," said the statement issued by the senior > > clerics from across the continent. > > > > A report earlier this month by senior Anglican clergy urged North > > American congregations to ban same-sex marriages and the ordination of > > gay clergy, but stepped back from an outright condemnation of gays in a > > bid to reconcile the divisions. > > > > But African church leaders said it did not go far enough and accused the > > North American communions of subverting the faith and imposing a false > > doctrine. > > > > African bishops want their continent to become the new heartland of > > Anglicanism and Nigerian Primate Peter Akinola, Africa's top cleric, has > > said the Church of Nigeria aims to set up branches in the United States. > > > > Church leaders in Africa fear if Anglicanism fails to take a firm stance > > on homosexuality, its parishioners -- many of whom are traditionalists > > who cannot stomach the idea of gay bishops -- will desert it for > > evangelical churches or Islam. > > > > Earlier this week Nigerian President Olusegun Obasanjo -- a born-again > > Christian -- backed African bishops in rejecting homosexuality and > > called gay tendencies "unbiblical, unnatural and definitely un-African." > > > > The bishops gathered in Nigeria have said they would not be swayed in > > their rejection of ordaining gays by the lure of church funds from the > > liberal West, despite Africa receiving 70 percent of its funds mainly > > from America. > > > > But church leaders say the split between African bishops and their > > American counterparts is not so much a geographical division as a split > > between the liberal and conservative wings of the church. > > > > Already, conservatives in the same U.S. Episcopal Church that ordained > > Robinson have called his appointment "schismatic." 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