Terlepas dari masalah Nabi Muhammad atau kakek, bagaimana pendapat Anda, bila adik atau anak Anda yang berumur 9 tahun dikawinkan?
----- Original Message ----- From: "RG Nur Rahmat" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2004 1:35 AM Subject: Re: [ppiindia] Kritik buat charles moore... Apa yg tidak menghina? Ini kan ttg Charles Moore yang bilang Nabi Muhammad adalah paedophile? Saya kasih bukti disini bahwa di US saja hanya 100 tahun yang lalu batas umur siap kawin adalah 10 tahun, apa ada yang bilang ketika itu mereka yang kawin begitu adalah paedophiles? Lalu di negara-negara dunia ketiga, menurut kajian dibawah yaitu sekitar tahun 1960-an dan mungkin berlanjut hingga sekarang, gadis-gadis bisa sudah dikawinkan ketika umurnya mencapai 9 tahun, bahkan di agama Yahudi saja ada hukumnya yang mengatakan gadis-gadis sudah bisa siap dikawinkan pada umur 11 tahun. Nah, kalau menggunakan standard sekarang tentu saja tidak bisa. Masa, masyarakat yang jangka hidupnya pendek (seperti kakek nenek kita yang tidak semakmur kita sekarang) mesti menunggu sampai si gadis 24 tahun? Mesti menunggu si gadis dapat kerja dan karir? Saya saja masih mendengar di masyarakat kita setelah SMP langsung kawin. Jadi, Charles Moore mengatakan demikian itu hanya utk menghina dan suka-suka saja, sebab tidak dilakukan kajian ttg apa yg dikatakannya. Saya tanya berapa umur kakek nenek anda ketika dikawinkan dulu? Apakah kakek anda paedophile, atau menurut definisi hukum sekarang, seorang pemerkosa? Apa kakek anda dikeroyok dan dikucilkan masyarakat ketika kawin dgn nenek anda? Carla Annamarie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: *********************** No virus was detected in the attachment no filename Your mail has been scanned by InterScan. ***********-*********** Dear Pak RG, you have pointed out the facts..that arrangement of marriage between an older or elder men and an under age child is exist. it occured mostly in arabs country, india, and africa (until now)..thanks for that valuable information, anyway..now days if an older or elder men married an under age child (in this case 9 years old child)..is against the law..(constitution), perhaps the countries u had mentioned earlier had applied an ''adat law''.., even in our country is forbidden..(based on civil act), bcs morally is not right.., how do you feel if your child an 9 years old child marry to.. lets say 25 years old men? is it morally legal.? is it civilised..? and is it Right?..i think deep inside you know the answer.. btw..it's not abt insulting someone or religion.. RGrds, Carla RG Nur Rahmat o.com> cc: Subject: Re: [ppiindia] Kritik buat charles moore... 12/21/2004 06:31 AM Please respond to ppiindia *********************** No virus was detected in the attachment no filename Your mail has been scanned by InterScan. ***********-*********** Let's discuss the age of Aisha being 9 when she married our Prophet in Islam! First of all, it is important to know: Aisha's parents were the ones who married her to our Prophet, and that no Muslim or even pagan objected to the marriage because it was widely practiced. And even until today in 3rd world countries (Muslims and non-Muslims), little girls as young as 9 or 10 do get married. Anyway, the reason no one objected was to the Prophet's marriage was: People used to have very short life-spans in Arabia. They used to live between 40 to 60 years maximum. So it was only normal and natural for girls to be married off at ages 9 or 10 or similar. Marriage for young girls was widely practiced among Arabs back then, and even today in many third-world non-Muslim and Muslim countries today, the Jewish law for marriage sets the age of consent for females at 11. (Consent is only one way of marriage) I do not know if modern Jewish law still allows (in theory) betrothal by intercourse as it was practiced in ancient times. Thirty years ago, the renowned sexologist R.E.L. Masters and Allan Edwardes said in their study of Afro-Asian sexual expression (_The Cradle of Erotica_, Julian Press, New York:1962) said, "Today, in many parts of North Africa, Arabia, and India, girls are wedded and bedded between the ages of five and nine; and no self-respecting female remains unmarried beyond the age of puberty." **** Also, the age consent in the US and Europe only 100 years ago for girls' marriage was as little as 10, and some popular men figures married little girls who were as young as their daughters. Nah, sekarang logiknya dimana kalau hanya bisa menghina? Carla Annamarie wrote: *********************** No virus was detected in the attachment no filename Your mail has been scanned by InterScan. ***********-*********** logically speaking, the point of view of Charles moore couldn't be blamed bcs in fact now days if a a men have a sexual contact or married an under age child (esp a 9 years old girl) is considered paedofillia, bcs there's no logical explaination a person doing that except he's mentally sick and have a sexual disorder..(pervert).., anyway, i think Charles moore opinion based on logic..there's nothing to do with religion or anything..simply logic.. "Ida Z.A" .com> cc: Subject: [ppiindia] Kritik buat charles moore... 12/17/2004 12:31 PM Please respond to ppiindia *********************** No virus was detected in the attachment no filename Your mail has been scanned by InterScan. ***********-*********** kutipan Dialog Umat Republika. Mantan editor The Daily Telegraph, Charles Moore, sgt sadar kalau tulisannya di kolom mingguannya yang berisi satu tudingan: Nabi Muhammad adalah seorang paedofilia (seorang yg menyukai anak2 dlm konteks seksual) akan membuat masyarakat muslim inggris marah. Dalam tulisannya dia mengatakan, Muhammad, yg menikahi gadis berusia 9 th, dgn segala kelebihan dan kekurangannya tak lebih seorang paedofilia... (dgn kekurangan pengetahuannya ttg Islam begitulah salah satu cara org menyudutkan islam). Protes pertama disampaikan Iqbal Sacranie, sekjen Muslim Council of Britain, yg mengatakan bahwa ia tidak menyangka bahwa orang seperti Charles Moore bisa melakukan hal yang begitu HINA. Iqbal menambahkan: tulisan Moore makin mencerminkan siapa dia sebenarnya. Dia belakangan memang aktif mengampanyekan penolakan terhadap rancangan UU terbaru mengenai kerukunan beragama. 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