Konteks waktu dan tempat, please .... you cannot judge what happened in the past with today's rules and norms.
The answer for today is: yes, you might be considered a phedophile if you married a 9 years old girl (may be not, because if the girl is mature, has got her period, and willing to marry, it is not an act of phedophile). Apakah Mohammad seorang peleceh anak atau perempuan? Semua buku yang saya baca (buku sejarah, bukan buku agama) menyatakan TIDAK. Aisyah got married willingly and happily. Salam, sirikit --- Ambon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Terlepas dari masalah Nabi Muhammad atau kakek, > bagaimana pendapat Anda, > bila adik atau anak Anda yang berumur 9 tahun > dikawinkan? > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "RG Nur Rahmat" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2004 1:35 AM > Subject: Re: [ppiindia] Kritik buat charles moore... > > > > > Apa yg tidak menghina? Ini kan ttg Charles Moore > yang bilang Nabi Muhammad > adalah paedophile? Saya kasih bukti disini bahwa di > US saja hanya 100 tahun > yang lalu batas umur siap kawin adalah 10 tahun, apa > ada yang bilang ketika > itu mereka yang kawin begitu adalah paedophiles? > Lalu di negara-negara dunia > ketiga, menurut kajian dibawah yaitu sekitar tahun > 1960-an dan mungkin > berlanjut hingga sekarang, gadis-gadis bisa sudah > dikawinkan ketika umurnya > mencapai 9 tahun, bahkan di agama Yahudi saja ada > hukumnya yang mengatakan > gadis-gadis sudah bisa siap dikawinkan pada umur 11 > tahun. > > Nah, kalau menggunakan standard sekarang tentu saja > tidak bisa. Masa, > masyarakat yang jangka hidupnya pendek (seperti > kakek nenek kita yang tidak > semakmur kita sekarang) mesti menunggu sampai si > gadis 24 tahun? Mesti > menunggu si gadis dapat kerja dan karir? Saya saja > masih mendengar di > masyarakat kita setelah SMP langsung kawin. > > Jadi, Charles Moore mengatakan demikian itu hanya > utk menghina dan suka-suka > saja, sebab tidak dilakukan kajian ttg apa yg > dikatakannya. > > Saya tanya berapa umur kakek nenek anda ketika > dikawinkan dulu? Apakah kakek > anda paedophile, atau menurut definisi hukum > sekarang, seorang pemerkosa? > Apa kakek anda dikeroyok dan dikucilkan masyarakat > ketika kawin dgn nenek > anda? > > Carla Annamarie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > *********************** > No virus was detected in the attachment no filename > > Your mail has been scanned by InterScan. > ***********-*********** > > > > Dear Pak RG, > > you have pointed out the facts..that arrangement of > marriage between an > older or elder men and an under age child is exist. > it occured mostly in > arabs country, india, and africa (until now)..thanks > for that valuable > information, anyway..now days if an older or elder > men married an under age > child (in this case 9 years old child)..is against > the law..(constitution), > perhaps the countries u had mentioned earlier had > applied an ''adat > law''.., even in our country is forbidden..(based on > civil act), bcs > morally is not right.., how do you feel if your > child an 9 years old child > marry to.. lets say 25 years old men? > is it morally legal.? is it civilised..? and is it > Right?..i think deep > inside you know the answer.. > btw..it's not abt insulting someone or religion.. > > RGrds, > Carla > > > > > > RG Nur Rahmat > o.com> cc: > Subject: Re: [ppiindia] Kritik buat charles moore... > 12/21/2004 06:31 > AM > Please respond to > ppiindia > > > > > > > *********************** > No virus was detected in the attachment no filename > > Your mail has been scanned by InterScan. > ***********-*********** > > > > > > Let's discuss the age of Aisha being 9 when she > married our Prophet in > Islam! > > First of all, it is important to know: > > Aisha's parents were the ones who married her to our > Prophet, and that no > Muslim or even pagan objected to the marriage > because it was widely > practiced. And even until today in 3rd world > countries (Muslims and > non-Muslims), little girls as young as 9 or 10 do > get married. Anyway, the > reason no one objected was to the Prophet's marriage > was: > > People used to have very short life-spans in Arabia. > They used to live > between 40 to 60 years maximum. So it was only > normal and natural for > girls to be married off at ages 9 or 10 or similar. > > > Marriage for young girls was widely practiced among > Arabs back then, and > even today in many third-world non-Muslim and Muslim > countries > > today, the Jewish law for marriage sets the age of > consent for females at > 11. (Consent is only one way of marriage) I do not > know if modern Jewish > law still allows (in theory) betrothal by > intercourse as it was practiced > in ancient times. > > Thirty years ago, the renowned sexologist R.E.L. > Masters and Allan Edwardes > said in their study of Afro-Asian sexual expression > (_The Cradle of > Erotica_, Julian Press, New York:1962) said, "Today, > in many parts of North > Africa, Arabia, and India, girls are wedded and > bedded between the ages of > five and nine; and no self-respecting female remains > unmarried beyond the > age of puberty." > > > **** Also, the age consent in the US and Europe only > 100 years ago for > girls' marriage was as little as 10, and some > popular men figures married > little girls who were as young as their daughters. > > > > Nah, sekarang logiknya dimana kalau hanya bisa > menghina? > > > > Carla Annamarie wrote: > > > *********************** > No virus was detected in the attachment no filename > > Your mail has been scanned by InterScan. > ***********-*********** > > > > logically speaking, the point of view of Charles > moore couldn't be blamed > bcs in fact now days if a a men have a sexual > contact or married an under > age child (esp a 9 years old girl) is considered > paedofillia, bcs there's > === message truncated === __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? 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