Supaya mengurangi subyektivitas, akronim "PKS"
    sudah saya hapus dari subjectnya { ini merupakan
    konsekuensi dari kebiasaan bung RD yang men"spam"
    posting: mereply sebuah posting di milis "A"
    tapi di cc ke "semua" milis :)  }

    dengan adanya "Tag/Label" seperti *PKS* maupun
    *Hidayatullah*, maka akan ada resiko, diskusi
    berikutnya akan mengundang "bias ideologi" alias
    tidak subyektif lagi, menjadi debat antara "pendukung"
    dan "penentang" pihak-pihak yang berkaitan dengan 
    label nama tersebut :)

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    <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem>
    
    An ad hominem argument, also known as argumentum 
    ad hominem (Latin: "argument to the person", 
    "argument against the man") consists of replying 
    to an argument or factual claim by attacking or 
    appealing to a characteristic or belief of the 
    person making the argument or claim, 

    rather than by addressing the substance of the 
    argument or producing evidence against the claim. 
    The process of proving or disproving the claims 
    is thereby subverted, and the argumentum ad hominem 
    works to change the subject
    =====================================================
 
   Artikel yang ditulis di Hidayatullah 'sounds' familiar
   to me :-), tetapi tanggapan seperti yang ditulis oleh
   pak Kartono juga 'equally familiar' to me, ... :-))

   Mungkin bisa kita coba untuk mendiskusikannya secara
   lebih obyektif:

   => Berdasarkan tradisi dalam masyarakat ilmiah,
      seseorang boleh saja menulis apa saja, asal itu
      memang berdasarkan fakta. Jadi Hidayatullah boleh
      saja menulis artikel semacam itu meskipun di jaman
      ini itu kadang-2 bisa menghasilkan tanggapan
      negatif, bahkan dari kalangan Muslim sendiri,
      seperti yang dicontihkan oleh tanggapan pak Kartono
      ( artinya: tulisan semacam itu mungki politically 
        incorrect :) )

      Tetapi jika yang ditulis memang berdasarkan fakta,
      secara ilmiah itu bisa diterima. Hanya saya lebih
      setuju jika judulnya dibuat lebih netral, misalnya
      "Kontribusi/Sumbangan Muslim dalam Penemuan Ilmu
       Pengetahuan/Sains" misalnya, kata "mayoritas" nya
      dihilangkan, takutnya overclaim :=)

   => Menurut pendapat saya, seperti dalam tradisi
      masyarakat ilmiah, kita diwajibkan memberi 'kredit'
      /penghargaan kepada mereka yang berhak dalam menemukan
      atau menyumbangkan suatu ide/pengetahuan. Bukankah ini
      yang menjadi salah satu isu friksi antara Malaysia-
      Indonesia saat ini? ( Indonesia menganggap Malaysia 
      'mengadopsi' suatu karya seni, tanpa mengakui atau 
      memberikan kredit kepada 'pemulik' Intellectual 
      property nya ).

   => Kenyatannya memang belum semua pihak memberikan kredit
      /penghargaan yang adil terhadap siapa saja yang telah
      berkontribusi dalam perkembangan sains. Dominasi barat
      jelas sangat terasa. Banyak yang bisa diketengahkan
      sebagai contoh.

      Misalnya, kalau berbicara mengenai teori Heliosentris,
      orang biasanya hanya menyebut satu nama: Kopernikus.
      Padahal Kopernikus sampai pada kesimpulan itu melalui
      'proses belajar' dari teori-teori para Astronom yang
      lain, termasuk Astronom Muslim: Al-Tutsy. Juga sebenarnya
      sebelumnya Astronom-astronom India telah mengungkapkan
      dugaan mengenai adanya gerakan rotasi bumi. Rotasi bumi,
      artinya bahwa gerakan matahari yang terbit di ufuk timur
      dan tenggelam di ufuk barat itu sebenarnya merupakan gerak
      "semu" akibat rotasi bumi. Ini kan sejatinya menuju pada
      teori Heliosentris?´

      Masalahnya di jaman itu mungkin tradisi penulisan ilmiah
      yang "benar" belum membudaya, sehingga mungkin sulit bagi
      kita untuk mengecek paper/disertasi nya Kopernikus dan 
      mencoba melihat "daftar pustaka" yang dijadikan referensinya

      ( ada dispute serupa mengenai kontribusi Ibn Khaldun,
        bapak Sosiolog abad pertengahan di dalam membentuk
        teori ekonominya Adam Smith ).

                               ***

      Mengenai filsafat, sebagian yang ditulis pak Kartono,
      benar, bahwa filosof Muslim abad pertengahan belajar
      dari filosof Yunani. Tapi itu belum cerita seluruhnya,
      nada tulisan pak Kartono terkesan "undermining" peran
      dunia Islam dalam "mentransmisikan pengetahuan" ke
      Eropa ( dengan tambahan Muslim's own Knowledge/
      contribution ).

      Sebagian besar ilmuwan yang meneliti soal kontribusi
      dunia Islam di abad pertengahan di dalam pengembangan
      ilmu pengetahuan umumnya hanya memberi "kredit" kepada
      Muslim sekedar sebagai 

        -> tukang penerjemah sains & filsafat Yunani
        -> tukang forward: "memforward" pengetahuan
           di atas ke Eropa, di masa kekuasaan Muslim
           di Spanyol
    
      ( kontribusi yang "minim" di atas pun tidak semua
        orang menyadari/mengakuinya, termasuk orang-orang
        Islam sendiri ).

      Sebagian kecil ilmuwan (ada yang muslim ada yang
      bukan, it doesn't matter) meyakini dan berusaha 
      menunjukkan bahwa Dunia Islam di saat itu juga
      punya kontribusi original yang mereka ramu dan
      tambahkan pada pengetahuan yang mereka dapat
      dari Yunani maupun India.

      Di bawah ini saya kutipkan tulisan mengenai
      Thomas Aquinas yang dikenal sebagai Filosof
      Kristen yang besar pengaruhnya dalam penafsiran
      ajaran kristen, yang menurut banyak ahli juga
      sedikit banyak dipengaruhi oleh pemikiran filosouf
      Muslim abad pertengahan, baik dia sadari atau tidak.

      ---( ihsan h )-----------------------------


<http://www.hartford-hwp.com/archives/20/014.html>

..................

We could stop here, and we'd have pretty much given 
the mainstream opinion of the Arab influence on 
medieval philosophy. By preserving the works of 
Plato and Aristotle, they filled out the incomplete 
corpus possessed by the Latin West and brought about 
an enormous shift in philosophical speculation; 

indeed some scholars trace the seeds of the 
Renaissance to this deposit of classical wisdom. 

This view is obvious, and easy—and wrong. 

To look at the Arabs in that light is to treat 
them as a kind of handy time capsule, storing 
material from the ancient European world and 
transmitting it at an appropriate time to the 
medieval European world. To treat the influence 
of the Arab world on medieval Europe in this way 
is to overlook the contributions made by the Arabs 
themselves. 

S. M. Ghazanfar, chair of the department of 
Economics at the University of Idaho-Moscow, 
phrases it thus: 

the mainstream paradigm, in general, describes 
the influence of Islamic scholarship chiefly in 
terms of its preservation and transmission of 
portions of ancient Greek philosophy that had 
been lost to medieval Europe. 

As some have suggested, the paradigm is too rigid
—almost unshakable, despite all the new evidence 
and literature. George Sarton once criticized those 
who will glibly say `the Arabs simply translated 
Greek writings, they were industrious imitators...' 
This is not absolutely untrue, but it is such a 
small part of the truth that when it is allowed 
to stand alone, it is worse than a lie. 

And then there is another historian of science, 
Colin Ronan, 

Too often science in Arabia has been seen nothing 
more than a holding operation. The area has been 
viewed as a giant storehouse for previously discovered 
scientific results, keeping them until they could be 
passed on for use in the West. But this is, of course,
 a travesty of the truth. 

(Note the word science is used in its historic 
meaning—knowledge, comprehensively defined, including 
philosophy, etc.) 

Medieval Europe did not simply absorb its forgotten 
Aristotelian heritage from Arabs who functioned purely 
instrumentally. Islamic scholars also brought their own 
philosophy to the table, and dialogues between the Islamic 
and Christian worlds were fruitful on both sides. 

Islamic philosophers of the medieval period wrestled with 
many of the same issues as their Christian and Jewish 
counterparts. The resolution of tension between faith 
and reason was immensely important to all philosophers 
of this period. 

Greek philosophy was developed independently of the 
monotheistic religions of the Book, and trying to 
combine Greek philosophy with Judaism, Christianity, 
or Islam inevitably led to difficulties. The ways in 
which Islamic philosophers settled these issues, 
however, were different from the approaches taken 
by Christian philosophers, and the dialogues between 
Islamic and Christian philosophers brought these new 
perspectives to the Latin West. I'm not saying that the 
European philosophers wound up agreeing with the Arab 
philosophers, but rather that the European position was 
often shaped by their need to refute certain Arab positions. 

For example, Siger of Brabant, a dedicated Averroist, 
was known for his claim, following his Islamic 
predecessor, that truths of faith and truths of 
reason can be incompatible and yet both true. This 
dual-truth theory had been controversial within Islam 
and was of course also controversial within Christianity; 
in order to combat it, Aquinas made explicit what is 
now official Catholic doctrine of the two sources 
of knowledge, the book of scripture and the book of 
nature: 

*****************************************************
Scripture rightly interpreted will never contradict 
reason rightly applied. 
*****************************************************

Another issue that concerned Islamic scholars of this 
time was the precise nature and definition of the soul. 

In the 11th century, Avicenna, strongly influenced by 
Neoplatonism, argued for a division between the active 
and passive elements of the human mind. 

The active elements of the mind were actually the 
effects of an independent being known as the agent 
intellect, created by the transcendent Intelligence 
that governs the world we live in, whose job is to 
supply forms to matter and to illuminate the passive 
elements of the human mind, enabling our minds to 
function. 

The passive elements, also known as the possible 
intellects, exist in each person and are unique to 
each person. Averroes, in the 12th century, apparently 
argued, following a difficult passage in Aristotle's 
De Anima, that not only the agent intellect but even 
the possible intellect were separate entities, thus 
denying a unique personal and spiritual element to the 
human soul and thereby denying personal immortality. 

This was not only a controversial point within Islam and 
Christianity, but it gave rise to Aquinas' famous treatise 
De Unitate Intellectus Contra Averroistas in which he was 
forced to develop and elucidate a view of human cognition 
which allowed for a recognition of an active and passive 
element, but which was also consistent with personal 
immortality. 

My specific area of research also illustrates this point. 
I have been working on a text called the Liber de Causis 
(LdC, a 9th century Arabic synopsis of a neoPlatonic work, 
Proclus' Elements of Theology. It was Thomas Aquinas, in 
fact, who first recognized this work as a synopsis of the 
Elements of Theology (ET), which had only recently become 
available in Latin; until then, it was generally thought 
to be a work of Aristotle. 

Thomas believed that the LdC was more or less an exact 
synopsis of the ET, and in his commentary he treats the 
two works as if they are pretty much equivalent. 

It is clear, however, that there are certain differences, 
and recent scholarship has begun to trace these differences 
to the influence of Islamic scholarship on the author of 
the LdC. 

A conjectured source document called the *Plotiniana 
Arabica is believed to be the source of many of the 
subtle alterations between the Elements of Theology 
(ET) and the Liber de Causis (LdC); scholars such as 
Richard Taylor and Cristina d'Ancona Costa have recently 
been investigating this phenomenon. Moreover, as d'Ancona-
Costa observes (and I agree) not only does the Liber de 
Causis show evidence of Plotinian as well as Proclean 
metaphysics—we're still talking about Greeks here—but 
also that it substantially transforms the doctrines of 
its neoplatonic sources (p. 42), particularly in its 
adaptation of the neoplatonic One to pure creative being 
which is esse tantum. This treatment of pure creative being 
is neither strictly Platonic nor Aristotelian, nor does it 
simply and obviously arise from a synthesis of Plato and 
Aristotle; it is a product of the unknown Moslem author 
of the Liber de Causis, and a powerful influence on its 
Latin readers. 

Thus, avoiding the pernicious view that the importance of 
Islamic scholarship in the Middle Ages was simply its 
transmission of ancient Greek texts, we can see that 
Islamic scholars engaged and challenged Christian and 
Jewish thinkers in the Latin West, influencing their 
views on critical metaphysical and theological issues 
such as the relation between faith and reason, the operation 
of the human soul, and the nature of God. 


Thomas Aquinas dan Mulla Sadra :
-------------------------------

<http://www.innerexplorations.com/philtext/ltsadra.htm>


A long tradition of Islamic metaphysics saw one of its 
greatest flowerings in the writings of Sadr al-Din Shirazi,
or Mulla Sadra (1571-1640). His work was taken up in the 
19th century by Hadi Ibn Mahdi Sabzawari, and this rich 
metaphysical tradition supposedly has lasted in Iran until 
the present. See Christianity in the Crucible, Chapter 6.

The metaphysics of Thomas Aquinas (1225-1274) has striking 
similarities with that of Mulla Sadra, and it has developed 
and produred in the Christian west ever since the 13th century.

But these two metaphysical traditions have never really 
encountered one another. Is there still interest in Iran 
in the work of Mulla Sadra and Sabzawari? Are there 
metaphysicians in the line of Mulla Sadra who would like 
to carry on a dialogue with metaphysicians from the tradition 
of Thomas Aquinas? This is a wonderful opportunity that should 
not be missed.
  

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--- In "Kartono Mohamad" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Lha wong Hidayatullah kok didenger, Dit. Tapi apa 
> yang ditulis di Hidayatullah itu adalah sikap yang 
> biasa terjadi ketika seseorang baru saja bertemu 
> dan hidup bersama dengan orang dari budaya lain. 
>
> Ini salah satu tahap awal dari bagian proses 
> intercultural learning. Tahap itu bermula dari
> rasa rendah diri terhadap budayanya sendiri lalu 
> melakukan reaksi defensif untuk membuktikan bahwa 
> budayanya tidak lebih rendah dengan menunjukkan
> sejarah lama tanpa ia sendiri mengetahui benar 
> sejarah itu. 
>
> Menyedihkan memang kalau menganggap filsafah 
> modern (barat) berkembang dari filsafah Islam, 
> lha wong filusuf Islam jaman dulu itu bermula 
> dari belajar filsafah Yunani kuno.
>
> Tahap semacam ini sering dijumpai pada mereka 
> yang sebenarnya belum dewasa atau belum mempu 
> berpikiran dewasa. Kalau dipelihara ia akan 
> berubah menjadi gangguan kejiwaan yang berupa 
> paranoia. Akibatnya ia selalu curiga dan sibuk
> memusuhi budaya lain tetapi tidak pernah berupaya 
> membuktikan bahwa ia mampu juga berdiri sama 
> tinggi dengan budaya lain.
>
> Tahap mereka itu memang baru sampai di situ.
> KM
>  
> -------Original Message-------
>  
> Mayoritas Penemuan Modern Ditemukan Ilmuwan Muslim Cetak 
> halaman ini 
> <http://hidayatullah.com/index2
> 
> Kamis, 08 November 2007
> 
> Penemuan ilmu pengetahuan dan teknologi modern 
> saat ini, sesungguhnya telah lama ditemukan kaum 
> Muslim. Demikian ujar guru besar Columbia 
> University
> 
> */Hidayatullah.com--/*

> Para ilmuwan Muslim sudah membuat banyak penemuan-
> penemuan dari usia yang ada, demikian ujar Prof. 
> Dr. George Saliba, guru besar Universitas Arab 
> dan Islam Universitas Columbia. 
>
> Pernyataan Saliba ini disampaikan dalam sebuah 
> seminar di Government College University (GCU), 
> hari Senin kemarin.
> 
> Saliba hadir dalam seminar bertajuk, The Problems 
> of Historiography of Islamic Science, yang diselenggarakan 
> di Fazl-e-Hussain Hall. Saliba memberi suatu kritik 
> dari buku klasik tentang kenaikan ilmu pengetahuan 
> Islam.
> 
> Ia memerinci permasalahan dalam banyak buku dan 
> menjelaskan penulisan sejarah alternatif bahwa 
> digambarkan jika perkembangan ilmiah Islam 
> sebagai hasil interaksi sosial dan kondisi-
> kondisi politis di dalam kerajaan Islam.
> 
> Saliba mengatakan, filsafat Islam telah mendorong 
> ilmu pengetahuan dan telah mendukung berbagai disiplin-
> disiplin ilmu. Termasuk tumbuh-tumbuhan, ilmu hewan, 
> aljabar, trigonometri, ilmu fisika, ilmu kimia, 
> ilmu perbintangan, ilmu fisika, ilmu kimia, ilmu faal 
> dan matematika sebelum zaman industri.
> 
> Ia juga mengatakan, pecahan persepuluhan bukan suatu 
> penemuan orang Barat dan bahwa itu ditemukan oleh 
> seorang ilmuwan Muslim. Ia juga menambahkan, sistem 
> biner, adalah juga ditemukan oleh seorang ilmuwan 
> Muslim.
> 
> Dr. George Saliba, adalah Profesor Ilmu pengetahuan 
> Islam-Arab. Selain itu ia juga duduk di Departemen 
> dari Timur Tengah dan Bahasa-bahasa Asia, di Columbia 
> University, New York, AS.
> 
> Sebelum Saliba, orientalis asal Skotlandia, William 
> Montgomery Watt pernah secara jujur, bagaimana Barat 
> sangat berhutang budi pada Islam, khususnya dalam 
> pengembangan ilmu pengetahuan.
> 
> Montgomery yang pernah mendapatkan gelar "/Emiritus 
> Professor/," gelar penghormatan tertinggi bagi 
> seorang ilmuwan, sangat tekun melakukan penelitiannya 
> tentang Islam. Khususnya sejarah perkembembangan 
> pengetahuan di dunia Islam. Montgomery secara jujur 
> mengakui, perkembangan ilmu pengetahuan yang kini 
> berkembang pesat di Barat dan Eropa, sesungguhnya 
> sebagian besar telah banyak ditemukan kaum Muslim 
> sebelumnya. 
> 
> <http://hidayatullah.com/>]
> 


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